Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Skeletons are immune to physical pleasure

  1. Feb 22, 2007 #1
    It occured to me that part of the success of the original pirates of the caribbean film may be due to the philosophically interesting predicament of the main antagonists, viz. they are cursed pirates who cannot feel pain or pleasure, and in fact the moonlight reveals them to be merely animated skeletons.

    A lot of college students in my age group (21) are so jaded that I suspect they identify with P.o.t.C.-Skeletons i.e. they have done so much college drinking and casual sex that they are essentially immune to physical pleasure. Or am I the only one for which the P.o.t.C.-Skeletons struck a philosophical cord?
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Feb 23, 2007 #2

    Mk

    User Avatar

    I think a lot of them start turning into POTC skeletons at fourteen.
     
  4. Feb 23, 2007 #3
    Just because some people go and get drunk doesnt mean that they arent capable of "physical pleasure". in fact i'm sure most of them gain "physical pleasure" from their activities or else they would probably not do it.
     
  5. Feb 23, 2007 #4

    Gokul43201

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    Perhaps antagonism is gaining in popularity?
     
  6. Feb 23, 2007 #5

    brewnog

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    I was going to say exactly the same thing.
     
  7. Feb 23, 2007 #6

    J77

    User Avatar

    Rubbish.

    Booze is brilliant.
     
  8. Feb 23, 2007 #7
    does anyone remember the fate of drugs thread?
     
  9. Feb 23, 2007 #8

    J77

    User Avatar

    And what's wrong with casual sex when you're young?
     
  10. Feb 23, 2007 #9

    matthyaouw

    User Avatar
    Gold Member

    And here was me foolishly thinking that all the girls just fancied mr Johnny Depp the pirate, and most of the men were dragged along as a result (I may be slighty jaded by personal experience however...) Its an appealing film, with plenty of action and a 'cool' hero character and lots of impressive special effects (and of course, something for both sexes to gawk at...) I wouldn't try to read too much into it.
     
  11. Feb 23, 2007 #10
    I agree, it's not like it's profoundly deep like The Matrix or something:wink: :smile:

    Hmmm...thinking about it? Maybe you should give your friends a choice, blue pill or red pill? One representing the falsity of there conformistly banal, free lifestyle the other offering a revelation about the true meaning of university?:tongue:
     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2007
  12. Feb 23, 2007 #11

    arildno

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member
    Dearly Missed

    The men fancied Mr. Depp, too. They just don't want to admit it.
     
  13. Feb 23, 2007 #12

    Gza

    User Avatar

    Coming from a university that has the oft quoted and funny little acronym "University of Casual Sex and Beer" (UCSB), I coudn't disagree more. People have different ways to enjoy themself, I don't understand how this lends itself to them being "essentially immune to physical pleasure."
     
  14. Feb 23, 2007 #13

    Gza

    User Avatar

    Oh and its friday, why am I still posting here? Time to go out and dull the ol' pleasure receptors!!! :biggrin:
     
  15. Feb 24, 2007 #14
    I didn't say that beers or casual sex => skeleton, but I did cite a correlation.

    Anyone who can't admit that they are closer to being a PotC-Skeleton then they were when they were 12 is having trouble facing the truth. This is no big deal, maybe its good and cool, I am not making a value judgement. The question is whether the cursed skeletons made the plot more memorable and enjoyable?
     
  16. Feb 24, 2007 #15

    matthyaouw

    User Avatar
    Gold Member

    On what do you base this? If you think you're wise enough to make wide all-encompassing statements about people you have never met, you're having trouble facing reality.
     
  17. Feb 24, 2007 #16
    It simple really, everyones skeleton-factor is monotonically non-decreasing. There is no way to become less of a skeleton, once you have had experiences you can't take them away, and experience is what desensitizes our bodies and minds.

    Do you cite a counterexample? As this is just a discussion, I would rather hear that then a silly personal attack:yuck:
     
  18. Feb 24, 2007 #17

    Moonbear

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    No, you stated your personal opinion. You cited nothing as the basis of that claim.

    You are aware that PotC is FICTION, right? Again, this seems to be your opinion, but clearly others disagree with your opinion. People enjoy it for several reasons, none of which has anything to do with your skeletons in the closet view.
    1) They've been to Disney and enjoyed the Pirates of the Carribean ride, so also enjoyed the humor of seeing some of those scenes played out in the movie. (It's uncommon to have a theme park ride turned into a movie...usually things happen in the opposite order.)
    2) They like Johnny Depp...he's a great actor.
    3) It was funny! The movie is meant to be an over-the-top comedy, and that's what people enjoyed.
    4) It had pirates...pirates are always fun.

    You're definitely reading way too much into it. Nobody is having trouble facing reality if they don't think they are turning into a fictional movie character. Someone who DOES think they are turning into something fictional is more likely having a bit of difficulty remaining fully attached to reality.

    What? Why would experience desensitize anyone to anything? Why not the opposite, that experience makes one more aware of the world, thus more able to fully enjoy it? You're arguing gibberish.
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2007
  19. Feb 25, 2007 #18

    matthyaouw

    User Avatar
    Gold Member

    Yet again with the broad statements, and assumptions that you have a good understanding of people you know nothing about.

    Myself. I find that with age, I am capable of appreciating a wider range of experiences and of appreciating them on a deeper level than when I was younger.
     
  20. Feb 25, 2007 #19

    arildno

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member
    Dearly Missed

    I've suffered a weight increase lately. Doesn't that make my skeleton-factor less??
     
  21. Feb 25, 2007 #20
    Hmm, it looks like we better close the entire forum since it consists only of opinions:rolleyes: . I am going to take this opportunity to tell you, that the tactic of pointing our that "its just an opinion" and "you didn't cite sources/ I don't agree with your sources" are fallacies, they do not add anything to the discussion and in many cases are the end of it.

    Now I will deal with the intelligent replies:

    Well, in the metaphorical sense that we might tease a skinny friend by calling them a skeleton, yes your appearance after gaining weight is a less skeletal one. In the sense of the cursed PotC-Skeletons, the way I see it is that you are less satisfied by smaller amounts of food, it takes larger amounts to satisfy because you sense of enjoying-food is somewhat less per bite, you need more overall bites to make up for the desensitization. So your PotC-Skeleton factor has increased.

    I agree, but the effect is mental, viz. we have increased awareness and increased experience. With food we savor each bite more slowly, and carefully detect individual flavors. But why do children enjoy hot dogs? Because everything taste good to them, they have less skeleton-factor.

    No, I am so dumb that I am not aware that PotC is fiction.

    Showing your true mental age, you bore me by pointing out that everything is an opinion, then state one of yours as if to refute me so finally that my view is so unworthy of consideration that we all may as well confuse it with the phrase "skeletons in the closet".

    No content!

    Yes, we all agree that these are reasons for the success of PotC. Are there more reasons? Undoubtedly. Is my topic one of them? I still don't know.


    Did you misunderstand that badly, or is that the best straw man you could construct? I never said that we are cursed, or that we are becoming cursed, or that anyone could ever be cursed like the skeleys were. I used "Skeleton-factor" to mean the extent to which our sense of physical sensation is like that of the PotC-Skeletons, i.e. :

    1. Food turns to ash in their mouth.

    2. Sex is our of the question, aside from the urge to be lewd.

    3. Alcohol has no physiological effect, but they still do it for social reasons.

    ...etc

    Can anyone see the parallels between these cursed-skeleton issues and the issues that are be faced by many people in the primary (late teens/ early twenties) demographic that enjoyed the film?
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?



Similar Discussions: Skeletons are immune to physical pleasure
  1. Guilty Pleasures (Replies: 46)

  2. Pain and Pleasure (Replies: 4)

  3. Immune Systems (Replies: 2)

  4. The little pleasures. (Replies: 7)

Loading...