Sliding time before a ball begins to roll on a horizontal surface

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a ball released on a horizontal surface with a coefficient of friction, seeking to determine the time it takes for the ball to transition from sliding to rolling. The subject area includes dynamics, rotational motion, and frictional forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the time for the ball to start rolling by considering torque and friction. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding initial conditions and the relationship between linear and angular motion.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the relationships between translational and rotational motion, with some providing feedback on the correctness of the original poster's reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, and guidance has been offered regarding the signs in the equations used.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential confusion regarding the initial conditions and the application of kinematic equations. The discussion reflects on the need to clarify the definitions and assumptions related to the motion of the ball.

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Homework Statement



A ball is released along a horizontal surface with a co-efficient of friction Us at a speed V. Find the time it takes for the ball to start rolling (leave the moment of inertia as I).

Homework Equations



Quite a few, all of them are stated in my working (that I believe are relevant).

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What is your reasoning?
 
After reviewing my lecture notes I found that I copied down a different solution. I attempted to redo the problem but came up with this solution, I must of either copied the answer incorrectly or made a mistake in the above working.

In regards to reasoning The Torque net must be equal to the frictional force acting directly below the ball multiplied by the radius, R. I assumed that the initial rotational velocity was zero. Using Torque(net) = I x alpha I found an expression for alpha. As the initial rotational velocity was equal to zero alpha = w/t.

I made the assumption that then the ball stopped rolling, V=Rw and solved for V. Using the kinematic equation v = u + at I solved for u (the initial linear velocity) and then solved for t.
 
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Your method and result are both correct. Be careful with the signs, sometimes you wrote them incorrectly. The friction accelerates rotation but decelerates translation: Initially the ball slides, so α=dω/dt=μmg/I, ω=μmgt/I. μ is the coefficient of kinetic friction. At the same time, friction decelerates the translational motion of the CM: a=-μg, v=v0-μgt.

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