Slopes product = -1 <===> lines perpendicular

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The discussion revolves around proving that if the slopes of two non-vertical lines satisfy the condition m1*m2 = -1, then the lines are perpendicular. Participants explore various mathematical approaches and reasoning related to trigonometric functions and geometric interpretations.

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  • Participants discuss using the tangent function to relate the slopes to angles formed with the x-axis. There are attempts to apply the addition theorem of cosine and the Pythagorean theorem to establish the relationship between the lines. Questions arise regarding the choice of points used to form triangles and their relevance to the lines and slopes.

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The conversation includes hints and suggestions for using trigonometric identities, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach. Some participants express uncertainty about the geometric setup, while others indicate they have found solutions or marked the thread as solved.

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There are discussions about the appropriateness of chosen points in relation to the lines and the need for a coordinate system to define angles. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the points being on the lines involved.

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Homework Statement


Proof that if the slopes of two lines a1, a2 (that are not vertical), m1,m2 satisfy:
m1*m2 = -1, then the lines are perpendicular.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to use the tan function, so that m1 = tanΘ where Θ1 is the angle of the line formed from x axis.
and m2 = tanΘ2.
now tanΘ21 = -1,
I tried using the tan(Θ1+Θ2) = but after simplifing i got (tanΘ1 - tankΘ2)/2
not sure if I am on the right way, rather solve it using trig.

ok found the answer, i had to use the points (1,m1), (1, m2), form a triangle and check for Pythagorean theorem.
 
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Hint: You can use the addition theorem of cosine for ##\Theta_1 - \Theta_2##.
 
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Dank2 said:

Homework Statement


Proof that if the slopes of two lines a1, a2 (that are not vertical), m1,m2 satisfy:
m1*m2 = -1, then the lines are perpendicular.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to use the tan function, so that m1 = tanΘ where Θ1 is the angle of the line formed from x axis.
and m2 = tanΘ2.
now tanΘ21 = -1,
I tried using the tan(Θ1+Θ2) = but after simplifing i got (tanΘ1 - tankΘ2)/2
not sure if I'm on the right way, rather solve it using trig.

ok found the answer, i had to use the points (1,m1), (1, m2), form a triangle and check for Pythagorean theorem.

if you use the points, (1,m1), and (1, m2), then what's the third point you use to form the triangle?

How are these points related to the lines a1 and a2 and the slopes of these lines?
 
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fresh_42 said:
Hint: You can use the addition theorem of cosine for ##\Theta_1 - \Theta_2##.

Yes, cos(Θ1-Θ2) = cosΘ1*cosΘ2 + sinΘ1*sinΘ2 = 1/sqrt(1+m12)* -1/sqrt(1 + (-1/m)2) + m1/sqrt(1+m12)*(-1/m1)/sqrt(1 + (-1/m)2) = 1 / * + -1 / * = 0 ==> Θ1-Θ2 = right angle, thanks. i see i must use the triangle to proof it in both ways.
 
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SammyS said:
if you use the points, (1,m1), and (1, m2), then what's the third point you use to form the triangle?

How are these points related to the lines a1 and a2 and the slopes of these lines?
hey sammy, I've already seen a solution for it , and i marked the thread as solved. thanks.
 
Dank2 said:
hey sammy, I've already seen a solution for it , and i marked the thread as solved. thanks.
Well, it's true that I'm not grading your work, but if I were grading it, I would expect those issues to be addressed.

The points (1, m1) and (1, m2) are not likely to be on the lines involved .
 
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SammyS said:
The points (1, m1) and (1, m2) are not likely to be on the lines involved .

Why not? If m1 = tanΘ =y/x
Then (x, m1x) is on the line and so (1, m1)
 
SammyS said:
Well, it's true that I'm not grading your work, but if I were grading it, I would expect those issues to be addressed.

The points (1, m1) and (1, m2) are not likely to be on the lines involved .

Maybe I should have added needed to be copied so that they will intersect with (0,0), and then we can always have the mentioned dots and form the triangle?
 
Dank2 said:
Maybe I should have added needed to be copied so that they will intersect with (0,0), and then we can always have the mentioned dots and form the triangle?
... and perhaps:

The points (0, 0) and (1, m1) either lie on line a1 or lie on a line parallel to a1.

Similarly for (0, 0) and (1, m2) and line a2 ...
 
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Dank2 said:
Maybe I should have added needed to be copied so that they will intersect with (0,0), and then we can always have the mentioned dots and form the triangle?
You don't need this as requirement. None of your lines is vertical. Thus you can always draw a coordinate system, in which the origin is the intersection point and, say the ##x-##axis a third line (also intersecting at the origin of course). With that you have defined ##\Theta_1## and ##\Theta_2##.
 
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most probably you can use addition theorem of cosine for ##\theta_1## and ##\theta_ 2##... i hope this hint will help you..
 
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