Small oscillations and a time dependent electric field

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The problem involves analyzing small oscillations in a system influenced by a time-dependent electric field. The original poster discusses the potential and mass matrix, along with eigenvalue equations, while expressing uncertainty about their applicability due to the time dependence of the electric field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the potential from the springs and electric field but finds the time dependence complicates the analysis. They also consider writing Newton's equations for the particles but encounter complexity. Some participants suggest focusing on the equations of motion and examining the net external force acting on the system.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different approaches to the problem, with some suggesting that the net external force is zero due to the cancellation of forces from the electric field. This observation leads to a potential simplification regarding the center of mass and the positions of the particles.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the challenge posed by the time-dependent nature of the electric field and its implications for solving the problem. There is an emphasis on understanding the roles of forces and potential in the context of small oscillations.

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Homework Statement


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Here's the problem from the homework. I've called the initial positions in order as 0, l, and 2l.
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The most important equation here would have to be
|V - w2*M| = 0,
where V is the matrix detailing the potential of the system and M as the "masses" of the system. This eigenvalue equation would normally be solved after getting a V and M to find the eigenfrequencies, and the normal modes from there. However, this problem is asking for the individual positions, so I'm guessing normal modes isn't the way to go unless we are to parse out the equations for the individual positions from the normal modes.

Another equation is E = -grad(V), since we could get the electric potential from our electric field and from that, the electrical potential energy depending on the position of the particles.

However, I don't feel like the eigenvalue equation will help much since the potential is time dependent. Maybe I'm wrong about this.

The Attempt at a Solution


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My first attempt was to just write out the potential based on the springs and the electric field. However, I realized the issue with this method is that the time dependence of the electric field will complicate things, and I'll get the normal modes instead of the individual positions.

My next attempt was to write out Newton's equations for each of the individual particles, but these equations turned out to be too complicated to solve in a straightforward manner.

I'm wondering what the best way to proceed on this question would be given an understanding of small oscillations (this is a problem from a PSET on small oscillations). Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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For this particular problem, I would recommend going with the equations of motion (Newton's equations).

What can you say about the net external force acting on the system? How can this observation help with solving the equations of motion?
 
The net external force on the system should be zero since the individual forces of the charges due to the electric field cancel (the net charge is 0). This implies the center of mass doesn't move, which would give us another equation for the positions that we could make use of.
 
Shivy G said:
The net external force on the system should be zero since the individual forces of the charges due to the electric field cancel (the net charge is 0). This implies the center of mass doesn't move, which would give us another equation for the positions that we could make use of.
Yes, good.
 
Awesome! I'll give it a shot.
 

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