Small oscillations on a constraint curve

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The problem involves a mass particle moving in a vertical gravitational field along a curve defined by y=ax^4. The original poster seeks to find the equation of motion for small oscillations around the equilibrium position.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply a quadratic approximation to derive the equation of motion but encounters an issue where the eigenfrequency vanishes, suggesting no oscillation. They express uncertainty about how to proceed from this point.
  • Participants inquire about the details of the original poster's approach, specifically how the constraint was incorporated into the Lagrangian formulation.
  • Further discussion includes the implications of the derived equation and whether it can represent simple harmonic motion (SHM), with some participants questioning the expectation of finding a harmonic motion equation given the nature of the derived motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the motion and the implications of the derived equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the next steps or a resolution to the original poster's concerns.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted concern about the simplicity of the problem in relation to the difficulty of other problems in the chapter, which may influence the original poster's expectations regarding the solution.

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Homework Statement



From Goldstein Classical Mechanics, 6.16:

A mass particle moves in a constant vertical gravitational field along the curve defined by y=ax4 , where y is the vertical direction. Find the equation of motion for small oscillations about the position of equilibrium.

The Attempt at a Solution



When taking a quadratic approximation as in the standard way to solve small oscillations, the eigenfrequency vanishes, giving a result without oscillation, which is clearly not what I'm looking for. I'm honestly not sure how to proceed with this.
 
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Hi tmode, welcome to PF. Show what you tried in detail, please. How did you take the constraint into account?

ehild
 
Hello, thank you.

I took the constraint into account by substituting y=ax^4 and \dot{y}=4ax^3 into the Lagrangian: L = T-V = \frac{1}{2}m(\dot{x}^2 + \dot{y}^2) - mgy
To yield, without any small oscillation approximation: L = \frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2 (1+16 a^2 x^6) -mgax^4
However, when you try to Taylor expand the m(1+16a^2 x^6) and mgax^4 about the equilibrium point x=0 (ie. small x), at quadratic order you get back m in the former and 0 in the latter, resulting in ω=0 for this treatment as a small oscillation approximation, and therefore no oscillation. For the potential, the first non-zero Taylor expansion approximation is the original value mgax^4, which would be very small in any case, on the order of x^4.

Taking the Euler-Lagrange equation to get equation of motion, we end up with 0=m\ddot{x}(1+16a^2 x^6) + 48m\dot{x}^2 a^2 x^5 + 4mga x^3
I don't think this is all the question wants answered, since it's not taking any sort of small oscillation approximation, nor does it give an explicit equation of motion.
 
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The equation you derived is correct. I do not see anything you can do more. Even ignoring the terms with x^5 and x^6 it is not an equation for SHM.

ehild
 
The motion is not harmonic, why do you expect to find a equation for harmonic motion?

In first non-vanishing order, we get ##\ddot{x} = -4gax^3##, which is just the derivative of the potential => okay.
 
Alright, thanks both of you. In the context of the level of difficulty of the rest of the problems from that chapter, it seemed far too simple leaving it there, seeming like an incomplete solution. Thanks again.
 

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