Smooth and L^2 on R^n. Will it be bounded?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of smooth functions that are in L² on Rⁿ, specifically whether such functions can be unbounded. Participants explore this question in the context of different dimensions, particularly focusing on the implications of smoothness and integrability.

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  • Some participants argue that in the case of n=1, a smooth function in L² must be bounded, as being unbounded would contradict its L² property.
  • Others suggest that for n=2 or higher, it is conceivable to construct a smooth function that is unbounded yet still belongs to L², citing examples of functions with increasingly thin and tall ridges.
  • A participant points out the necessity of defining "smooth" and questions whether a sequence of bumps could be considered smooth while remaining unbounded.
  • Another participant asserts that any function in L² must have a finite essential supremum, implying that if a function is unbounded, it cannot be in L².
  • One participant proposes that a smooth unbounded function could still have a finite L² norm if the regions where it exceeds certain bounds have measure that diminishes appropriately.
  • A specific example involving a series of functions is presented, where the pointwise limit is a smooth unbounded function, raising questions about its integrability and the validity of term-by-term integration.

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Participants express differing views on whether a smooth function in L² can be unbounded, with no consensus reached. Some maintain that it cannot be unbounded, while others provide counterexamples and theoretical constructs suggesting otherwise.

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The discussion highlights the complexities surrounding definitions of smoothness and the implications of measure theory, particularly regarding sets of measure zero and their impact on integrability.

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smooth and L^2 on R^n. Will it be bounded??

Hello,
If a function, say u, is smooth and L^2 on R^n. Will it be bounded??

In the case of n=1 I would say that it obviously is so. Because if it were unbounded then it wouldn't be L^2.

But in the case of n=2 (or higher). I can imagine a function with a kind of ridge that gets thinner and thinner but higher and higher, the further away from the origin we get. So that it would be unbounded but still L^2.

I guess I was just wondering if this line of thinking is correct? Thankful for any feedback.
 
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stradlater said:
Hello,
If a function, say u, is smooth and L^2 on R^n. Will it be bounded??

In the case of n=1 I would say that it obviously is so. Because if it were unbounded then it wouldn't be L^2.

You have to define "smooth" ... For n=1 do you disallow a sequence of bumps, getting thinner but taller, as you go to infinity. Such a thing could be infinitely differentiable. But the derivative won't be bounded.
 


As I understand it the question is about one single function, not about a sequence of functions, Any function in L^2, be it smooth or not, needs to be bounded, in the sense that the essential supremum of |f| is finite, for otherwise neither f nor f^2 would be integrable...

Of course you can always change the values of f on set of measure zero so as to make f unbounded and without changing f (as an element of L^2).
 


Thanks for the quick answers. With smooth I just meant that all the derivatives exist and are continuous. So with smooth I meant to disallow for the above mentioned example regarding sets of measure zero.

And yes, the question was about one single function, but I think the sequence of bumps were meant as a series of bumps along the x-axis (n=1), i.e. one single function.

So, this bump-function, let's call it f, is unbounded and smooth. Meaning that for every M>0 there is an x and and an epsilon such that f>M on the ball around x of radius epsilon. Couldn't this function still be L^2 if the epsilon went to zero sufficiently fast as M got larger?

The problem for me, I think, is that I haven't studied measure theory. But am I correct if I say that smooth and unbounded implies that for every M>0 there exists a set A, where f>M on A,such that [tex]\int_A dS >0[/tex] . In the same way as above couldn't the L^2 norm of f be finite even if ess sup f isn't? Providing that the measure of A goes to zero as M gets larger??
 
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To make things clearer, consider this example(I think this is the function g_edgar mentioned).

Let [tex]\psi(x)[/tex] be a smooth non-negative function such that its support is contained in the interval (-1,1) and such that [tex]\int_R\psi(x)dx=1[/tex].

Now consider the series [tex]\sum_{k=1}^\infty k\psi ((x -2k)k^3 )[/tex]



I believe this series converges pointwise to a smooth unbounded function f(x). But is [tex]f\in L^1 (R)[/tex]? If we were allowed to integrate the series term by term we would get


[tex]\int_R\sum_{k=1}^\infty k\psi ((x -2k)k^3)dx = \sum_{k=1}^\infty 1/k^2dx[/tex]

But the series doesn't converge uniformly so I guess we aren't allowed to do this??
 
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