Smooth rolling motion - conservation of energy?

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The discussion centers on the conservation of mechanical energy for a ball or cylinder rolling smoothly along various paths. It establishes that in a closed system, where dissipative forces like friction and air resistance are absent, mechanical energy remains constant, represented by the equation ##E_{mech} = K + U = K_{trans} + K_{rot} + U##. The proof provided confirms that for a cylinder rolling down an inclined plane, the total kinetic energy at the bottom equals the potential energy lost, specifically ##K_{rot} + K_{trans} = mgh##. The role of static friction is clarified, indicating that while it exists, it does no work, thus supporting energy conservation.

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This isn't about a specific physics problem, but rather a question:
Given I have a ball or cylinder rolling smoothly along some path, is it generally true that mechanical energy is conserved?
I.e. if ##E_mech = K+U = K_{trans} + K_{rot} + U##, then ##\Delta E_mech = 0##?

I have been able to formulate a proof for a cylinder rolling down an inclined plane, with a change in height ##\Delta h##. I've been able to show that, at the bottom, ##K_{rot}+K_{trans} = mgh##.

But I just wanted to check that this is generally true along any path (e.g. curved paths), given that the rolling is always smooth? And also, are there any caveats here where this assertion doesn't work?

Thanks!
 
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stfz said:
But I just wanted to check that this is generally true along any path (e.g. curved paths), given that the rolling is always smooth? And also, are there any caveats here where this assertion doesn't work?

The total amount of mechanical energy, in a closed system in the absence of dissipative forces (e.g. friction, air resistance), remains constant.
so, if you have conditons of perfect rolling (without slipping) the energy should be conserved.
 
Hmm. I was under the impression that the static friction present was a friction force and hence the there are non-conservative forces at work.
However, now that you mention it, I realize that static friction, by definition, can do no work. Hence there are no non-conservative forces doing work per se (although there are non-conservative forces present!)

Is that why mechanical energy is conserved?
 
What is the relative motion between the smoothly rolling object and the surface along which it is rolling at the point / line of contact?

The answer to that plus an equation for energy dissipated by static friction between two surfaces should provide you the insight you are looking for.
 

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