So the imaginary component is just -ωCVV*.

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The discussion revolves around determining the imaginary part of the complex expression Im, where V* is the complex conjugate of V. Participants explore the implications of complex numbers and phasors in circuit analysis, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects.

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  • One participant suggests that the imaginary component of the expression is -ωCVV*, but expresses uncertainty about whether it could instead be ωCVV*.
  • Another participant explains that the imaginary part of an expression is defined as the part multiplied by j, implying that the expression's imaginary component should be clarified.
  • A later reply indicates that multiplying VV* results in |V|², leading to a conclusion that GVV* is purely real and does not contribute to the imaginary part.
  • It is noted that -jωCVV* is purely imaginary, which raises questions about the interpretation of the original expression.
  • Participants discuss the utility of complex numbers in representing both magnitude and phase of signals in AC circuits, emphasizing their importance in circuit analysis.

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Participants express differing views on the determination of the imaginary part of the expression, with no consensus reached on whether it is -ωCVV* or ωCVV*. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final interpretation of the imaginary component.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the definitions and properties of complex numbers and their application in circuit analysis, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps leading to the conclusion about the imaginary part.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying electrical engineering, circuit analysis, or complex number theory, particularly in the context of AC circuits and phasor representations.

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For the following, I was wondering if someone could help me determine the imaginary part of the complex number:
[tex]Im<GVV* - j\omega CVV*>[/tex], where [tex]V*[/tex] is the complex conjugate of [tex]V[/tex].

I was thinking the imaginary component would be [tex]-\omega CVV*.[/tex] But I am reluctant on the conclusion, because I am not sure if it would rather be [tex]\omega CVV*.[/tex]

Could someone enlighten me?

[Is there any chance someone could remind me why complex numbers and phasor's are important for circuits (practicality)? And does every circuit element have a corresponding phasor element, [tex]e^{j\omega t}?[/tex] ]

thanks,JL
 
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jeff1evesque said:
For the following, I was wondering if someone could help me determine the imaginary part of the complex number:
[tex]Im<GVV* - j\omega CVV*>[/tex], where [tex]V*[/tex] is the complex conjugate of [tex]V[/tex].

I was thinking the imaginary component would be [tex]-\omega CVV*.[/tex] But I am reluctant on the conclusion, because I am not sure if it would rather be [tex]\omega CVV*.[/tex]

Could someone enlighten me?

[Is there any chance someone could remind me why complex numbers and phasor's are important for circuits (practicality)? And does every circuit element have a corresponding phasor element, [tex]e^{j\omega t}?[/tex] ]

thanks,


JL

What do you get when you multiply VV* ? Use a simple example to help you if necessary:

[tex](a+jb)(a-jb) = ??[/tex]

Is the result complex?

So the imaginary part of any expression is the part that is multiplied by j by definition (not -j). What then is the answer to your problem?

As for why complex numbers are handy for circuits and signals, one big reason is that you can represent both the magnitude and phase of a signal over time as a single complex quantity. You can manipulate the magnitudes and phases of multiple signals, and in the end figure out what the real-time output waveform looks like.
 
Hello, thanks for responding to my questions.

What do you get when you multiply VV* ?
You get [tex]|V|^{2}[/tex]

(a+jb)(a-jb) = ??
The answer would be [tex]a^{2} + b^{2}[/tex]

What then is the answer to your problem?
I think my answer would be [tex]\omega C|V|^{2}[/tex], but how does this follow from above?

Thanks again,Jeffrey
 
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jeff1evesque said:
Hello, thanks for responding to my questions.


You get [tex]|V|^{2}[/tex]


The answer would be [tex]a^{2} + b^{2}[/tex]
Yes. Note that these are purely real numbers.

Complex numbers are a good way to represent the impedance -- that is, the ratio of voltage to current amplitudes in an AC circuit. Then the overall impedance of a mixed combination of resistors, capacitors, and inductors can be calculated using the same parallel & series combination rules for resistors that you are (hopefully) familiar with.
 
jeff1evesque said:
I think my answer would be [tex]\omega C|V|^{2}[/tex], but how does this follow from above?

Well, it means GVV* is purely real, and does not contribute to the imaginary part.

It also means ωCVV* is purely real, therefore -jωCVV* is purely imaginary.
 

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