So, the title is: Parallel Vectors: Is AP Parallel to u?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the vector AP is parallel to the vector u, where u is defined as (1, 4, -3) and point A is given as (-2, -1, -2). Participants are attempting to clarify the notation and the implications of the problem statement regarding the relationship between points and vectors.

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  • Some participants question the meaning of "AP" and whether A is a point or a vector. There is confusion regarding the setup of the problem and the necessary conditions for parallelism between vectors.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some suggesting that the question should clarify the coordinates of point P rather than solving for A. There is ongoing debate about the correct approach to determine parallelism, including scalar multiples and vector notation.

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There is a lack of clarity in the original problem statement, leading to confusion about the definitions of points and vectors. Participants are also discussing the implications of using scalar multiples and the conditions under which two vectors can be considered parallel.

  • #31
The vector PA: <p1+2, p2+1,p3+2>

<p1+2, p2+1,p3+2> = k<1,4,-3>
<p1+2, p2+1,p3+2> = <γ,4γ,3γ>

p1+2 = k
p2+1 = 4k
p3+2 = -3k

Suppose <p1,p2,p3> = <1,2,3>

The k values are inconsistent.
 
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  • #32
negation said:
The vector PA: <p1+2, p2+1,p3+2>
This is actually ##\vec{AP}##.

##\vec{PA}## would be <-2 - p1, -1 - p2, -2 - p3>. These two vectors point in the opposite directions, so ##\vec{AP} = - \vec{PA}##.
negation said:
<p1+2, p2+1,p3+2> = k<1,4,-3>
<p1+2, p2+1,p3+2> = <γ,4γ,3γ>
From the previous equation, the right side above should be <k, 4k, -3k>.
negation said:
p1+2 = k
p2+1 = 4k
p3+2 = -3k

Suppose <p1,p2,p3> = <1,2,3>
##\vec{AP}## and ##\vec{u}## are parallel, so ##\vec{AP} = k\vec{u}## for some scalar k, with k ≠ 0.

Instead of picking some random values for the coordinates of ##\vec{AP}##, pick a value for k.
negation said:
The k values are inconsistent.
 
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  • #33
negation said:
The vector PA: <p1+2, p2+1,p3+2>

That isn't PA, it is AP, which is what you want.

<p1+2, p2+1,p3+2> = k<1,4,-3>
<p1+2, p2+1,p3+2> = <γ,4γ,3γ>

p1+2 = k
p2+1 = 4k
p3+2 = -3k

Suppose <p1,p2,p3> = <1,2,3>

The k values are inconsistent.

Big surprise they are inconsistent. Where did <1,2,3> come from? Did you just pick it out of the air?? It's not surprising that guessing values for the p's doesn't work.

To solve the problem, you need to find any ##p_1,p_2,p_3## values and ##k## that do work.

[Edit]Took too long typing this, Mark beat me to it.
 
  • #34
Mark44 said:
This is actually ##\vec{AP}##.

##\vec{PA}## would be <-2 - p1, -1 - p2, -2 - p3>. These two vectors point in the opposite directions, so ##\vec{AP} = - \vec{PA}##.
From the previous equation, the right side above should be <k, 4k, -3k>.
##\vec{AP}## and ##\vec{u}## are parallel, so ##\vec{AP} = k\vec{u}## for some scalar k, with k ≠ 0.

Instead of picking some random values for the coordinates of ##\vec{AP}##, pick a value for k.

let k = 1

p1+2 = 1 ∴p1=-1
p2+1=4 ∴p2=3
p3+2=-3 ∴p3=-5

I'm very sure it doesn't end here.
 
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  • #35
Way back in the OP, the question was, "Is the vector ##\vec{AP}## parallel to u?" Apparently the coordinates of P were not given (or at least, they weren't shown in this thread). I believe the answer would be showing the conditions on the coordinates of P, something like this:
p1 = ...
p2 = ...
p3 = ...

These three equations would involve the parameter k and the coordinates of u.

It has taken a long while and many posts in this thread to get to this point, so a summary of where you're going might be useful.

1. Two vectors are parallel if either one is a scalar multiple of the other. In light of this problem, the equation is ##\vec{AP} = k\vec{u}##, where A is the point (-2, -1, -2) and u is the vector <1, 4, -3>. The point P wasn't given, so we used variables to represent it: P(p1, p2, p3).
2. Write the position vector ##\vec{AP}##, which is <p1 - (-2), p2 - (-1), p3 - (-2)>, and set this equal to ku, which is <k, 4k, -3k>.
3. Solve the equation for the unknowns p1, p2, and p3.
 
  • #36
Mark44 said:
Way back in the OP, the question was, "Is the vector ##\vec{AP}## parallel to u?" Apparently the coordinates of P were not given (or at least, they weren't shown in this thread). I believe the answer would be showing the conditions on the coordinates of P, something like this:
p1 = ...
p2 = ...
p3 = ...

And, of course, that's assuming we have guessed correctly what the actual statement of the problem was supposed to be n the first place. :devil:
 
  • #37
LCKurtz said:
And, of course, that's assuming we have guessed correctly what the actual statement of the problem was supposed to be n the first place. :devil:

Well, there's that...
 

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