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The discussion revolves around the challenges faced by a participant who is considering dropping out of college due to academic struggles and personal issues. Participants explore various options for moving forward, including alternative education paths, mental health support, and employment opportunities.

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  • One participant expresses feeling lost after failing to meet academic requirements and fears being stuck in low-paying jobs without a degree.
  • Another suggests taking time off to reflect on the reasons for academic struggles and whether they can be addressed.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of seeking medical help for emotional and personal problems, suggesting that a doctor's note could facilitate re-admission to school.
  • Some argue that a traditional degree may not be necessary for success, citing examples of individuals who have thrived without one.
  • There are discussions about the potential of technical or trade schools as viable alternatives to traditional college education.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of pursuing MS certifications to enter the IT field, questioning the value of degrees in that industry.
  • Another suggests transferring to a different school while managing a part-time job and taking fewer classes to gradually work towards a degree.
  • Concerns are raised about the stigma associated with non-degree jobs and the emotional toll of the situation on the original poster.
  • Some participants recommend consulting with school administration, particularly the dean, to discuss exceptional circumstances related to academic performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of seeking medical help and exploring alternative educational paths. However, there are competing views on the necessity of a traditional degree versus certifications or trade schools, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best course of action for the original poster.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of uncertainty about the impact of mental health on academic performance and the potential for schools to accommodate students with documented issues. The discussion reflects a range of personal experiences and opinions on education and employment pathways.

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Individuals facing academic challenges, those considering dropping out of college, and anyone exploring alternative education or career paths may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm pretty much done with college. I didn't get the required grades for some of my classes and now I have to drop out.

What should I do now? I can't go anywhere these days without a degree. Otherwise I'm stuck with a minimum wage job. I'm lost here.
 
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Take some time off and then try to continue again. What was the problem?
 
Corneo brings up a good point, is it possible for you to pinpoint the reason for your 'failure' (I don't mean it in a bad sense). Also, do you think that you would be able to correct it?
 
I'm having emotional and personal problems. I can't take time off and come back, because I already exceed the max number of credits at my school. This is a permanent kick, meaning the school ain't taking me back at all.

I did very well last semester but just completely went insane this semester which caused me to get kicked out... forever.
 
Can you go to a technical or trade school, or something?

It's unpopular to say this, but a traditional degree is not for everyone.

I can't go anywhere these days without a degree.

First thing to do is get that out of your head. It's BS. Many of the people I know who make good bucks never got a degree. And many people with degrees are lazy bums who won't work unless they feel like they are being "valued" for there superlative gifts and superior status.
 
fizziks said:
I'm having emotional and personal problems.
Are they the kind that a doctor might be able to identify?
 
fizziks said:
I'm having emotional and personal problems.

As Dave says; go and see your doctor-- they can help with a lot more than just "medical" problems you know!

I can't take time off and come back, because I already exceed the max number of credits at my school. This is a permanent kick, meaning the school ain't taking me back at all.

If you do have a valid reason, and seek help from your doctor, then I'm sure the school will be willing to overlook the fact that you have exceeded the number of credits if you provide a letter from your doctor.

I did very well last semester but just completely went insane this semester which caused me to get kicked out... forever.
This is all the more reason to go and speak to someone-- if your grades are very good one semester then drop massively to the extent that you fail in the next semester and you have a reason for this, backed up by your doctor, then the school will look on these as exceptional circumstances. After all, schools don't want to kick their students out!
 
I agree with cristo, if your giving them money they will want you in there as long as possible.

Anything medical even depression will keep you safe because they can't kick out a student if there is a medical reason. So if you need a pill to solve your issue you'll be fine. I'm not sure if just saying your crazy will work though, you need proof. Not saying your crazy either :D

Anti depressants work well but the side effects aren't fun so look out for that if that's the issue.
 
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cristo said:
As Dave says; go and see your doctor-- they can help with a lot more than just "medical" problems you know!



If you do have a valid reason, and seek help from your doctor, then I'm sure the school will be willing to overlook the fact that you have exceeded the number of credits if you provide a letter from your doctor.


This is all the more reason to go and speak to someone-- if your grades are very good one semester then drop massively to the extent that you fail in the next semester and you have a reason for this, backed up by your doctor, then the school will look on these as exceptional circumstances. After all, schools don't want to kick their students out!

And if the school you're currently attending won't take it into consideration, you can probably find another that will and transfer. If you did well in your first couple years, you could transfer over with advanced standing. If the problem has been ongoing and you've only just figured out what it is, you might have to start all over again, but if it's really what you want to do and you're able to correct whatever the problem was, then it seems worth it.

Or, as others have suggested, if you're really not able to handle the courses required for a college degree, learn a trade. There are plenty of technical schools that won't care if you couldn't handle a college degree program because you don't need it for what they teach. Or just take some community college courses, or get an associate's degree for starters. There are a lot of options as long as you have the motivation to go after them.
 
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Just to echo many others, go to the doctor and get a note. If your school doesn't let you in after that, go elsewhere. But only go if you feel better! Don't fall into the same hole and mess up at another school. Since you've had good grades before, you can handle the work. Even if your current major was kicking your behind grades-wise, choose an interesting yet "easier," major for you. If you feel stressed and lost, go to a community college for a semester, get good grades, and transfer somewhere. You have a lot of options still; failing out is not the end of your life. One day when this is all behind you, it will be a great success story. Good luck, see a doctor, and try and de-stress a bit.
 
  • #11
I've been looking around at MS certifications. I think it would get me straight into the IT world and build my way up from there. But I still think companies would rather hire new people with a bachelor/master's degrees.

What do you guys think? Should I try out for a community/technical school or just get a certification? I was a physics major going for a graduate computer engineering/computer science degree.
 
  • #12
Honestly I would transfer to another school, keep your job, and take maybe 2 classes max a semester, work on the certs and take it slow. In time you will have a degree. Its better to have the degree in your back pocket than to not have it, but it is not necessary.
 
  • #13
I don't know what your situation is or even where you live but how about the idea of living in your parent's home for the rest of your life and get them to support you. But that is only if your parents have a stable income. After they die, just live off the money in their bank account. But that will mean you can't support a family of your own and most likely single all your life. At least you will survive this way and not have to worry about too much financial worries.
 
  • #14
I used to have this idea of College Dean's being Wirmer(sp?)-type fascists... turns out a lot of them are really very sympathetic to students. Get the medical note and talk directly to your dean. Exceptions can and are made frequently
 
  • #15
If your looking to get into IT, make sure you go to a school that has a good job placement program. It can be a tough field to break into if you don't have experience or a degree. Good luck.
 
  • #16
So, I've did some searching for jobs that don't required a 4-year degree... Just can't find any besides blue collar work that even middle school dropouts can get. It feels like I would stoop to a level of a high school graduate or even dropout which is pathetic in my family and my standards. This whole weekend has been a state of severe depression. I can't believe I sat around doing nothing for the past 2 days (Well, the whole campus was closed because it's the first summer break).

I've already spent 4 years in college and was only a semester away from graduating, now it's all over. I can't continue 2 or more years in another school. I've just lost the motivation to just keep going on like that and interest in my hobbies...

The hardest thing to do is telling this news to my parents.
 
  • #17
Consult your doctor... it's your best move now.
 
  • #18
why not go to school part and get a part time job? those 'blue collar' jobs can be the fun if your a fun person, office jobs can't compare. the most fun job i ever had was working at a gas station.
 
  • #19
no man, don't give up fizziks. I know I haven't experienced what you are going through, but good things happen to people who try!

I've met obstacles when I first came to America. I was living in PA in the district that has the second WORST high school in town. In that school, Algebra one and ESL 2 were classes for "smart" people. I lived in that district for two months wondering why the heck I even came to America. I knew little English, had no friends and everything seemed so dull and pointless.

Eventually, my parents moved (to a much better district) and I tried really really hard to catch up. Eventually, I ended up with a couple APs and straight As when I graduate.

Fizziks, just hang on there! it's never to late to finish what you've started! don't worry about how everyone else is doing or how other people think of you. (screw everyone). you are "YOU". look at your past and see what you've accomplished, are you just going to give up and let it go? NO!

talk to your professor, or anybody you know. Ask for another chance, or go to another college, or even a community college, or get a job. If you are persistence enough and are willing to give whatever it takes to accomplish your goal, nobody can stop you!
 
  • #20
I'd say cut your losses, work a "blue collar" job for a while, and try going back to school again in a year or so at a community college closer to home. There's no point in remaining at a school if it just makes you agitated or depressed being there.
 
  • #21
fizziks up to now you have ignored our advice to consult a doctor it seems... are you reluctant?
 
  • #22
pivoxa15 said:
I don't know what your situation is or even where you live but how about the idea of living in your parent's home for the rest of your life and get them to support you. But that is only if your parents have a stable income. After they die, just live off the money in their bank account. But that will mean you can't support a family of your own and most likely single all your life. At least you will survive this way and not have to worry about too much financial worries.

You can't possibly be serious... This has to be the most absurd thing I have ever heard. That someone would actually think that this is a possible life plan worth considering. Not only is this a plan of being lazy, but it also involves years of taking advantage of those who care about you most. Please don't insult the OP, he is looking for help, and this isn't it.
 
  • #23
how did i miss that lol

what happens when your parents die?
 
  • #24
light_bulb said:
how did i miss that lol

what happens when your parents die?


Apparently you missed this part too:

After they die, just live off the money in their bank account. But that will mean you can't support a family of your own and most likely single all your life.

:bugeye:
 
  • #25
lol that is the oddest advice I've ever heard.
 
  • #26
DUDE! even with a minimum wage job you can move up, my father worked as a kid cleanin the parkin lot to manager in a year.He got tired of fast food tho and started workin on other crap.
My dad did a lot of dumb mistakes to tho, he declinesd a USC scolership, declined a offer from his buddy that prolly could have made him a millioneir by now.(offer was like to invest something in McDs for like 50Grand that wouldda made him like own a big part of company) He dropped out after two years but still worked hard and now my pops is a supervisor(very high on the ladder) at Northrup Grummen.:cool: (northrup is a company that build parts for nasa, space shuttles, jet fighters, satellites and etc):cool:
You got to just work really hard. try to study a lot or get into another school, DONT GIVE UP! try everything you can do that will benifit you:-p (xpt prostitution lol):-p work hard, study harder and get back in the game!
 
  • #27
u83rn00b said:
DUDE! even with a minimum wage job you can move up

I second that. You know, Hubble (the guy who made the observation that pointed to expansion of the universe) has a good friend called Humason. In fact in older textbooks Hubble Law was called Hubble-Humason Law (poor Humason is fading out from history...). Hubble had a high regard for him and they worked closely together.

Humason, however, had a humble beginning.

Humason, born in Dodge Centre, Minnesota, dropped out of school at 14 to hang around Mount Wilson Observatory, California. For a while he was a mule driver for the pack trains that carried construction materials to the observatory from the Sierra Madre. In 1917 he joined the observatory staff as a janitor, but was quickly promoted, becoming assistant astronomer 1919.

http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Biographies/MainBiographies/H/Humason/1.html
 
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  • #28
yenchin said:
I second that. You know, Hubble (the guy who made the observation that pointed to expansion of the universe) has a good friend called Humason. In fact in older textbooks Hubble Law was called Hubble-Humason Law (poor Humason is fading out from history...). Hubble had a high regard for him and they worked closely together.

Humason, however, had a humble beginning.



http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Biographies/MainBiographies/H/Humason/1.html

I think you guys are forgetting this is year 2007 where paper is important.
 
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  • #29
JasonRox said:
I think you guys are forgetting this is year 2007 where paper is important.

Yea. You are correct. But the point is it is not the end of the world if you drop out. You can find a way back if you are determined. The post wasn't meant to say anything about the academic but to give encouragement.
 
  • #30
Even if he does drop out, his credits don't magically just disappear do they? for intance if he wanted to go back in say 2 years when he's less depressed and is ready to go back his credits are still there aren't they?

I took a year off and everything was fine still I even still got all my scholarships but mine was for a medical situation but he could also be considered that if he plays his cards right.
 

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