Solutions to PDE: Understanding and Simplifying the Process

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The discussion revolves around understanding and simplifying the process of solving a partial differential equation (PDE) of the form \(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{1+y^{2}}}\). Participants explore various approaches to solving this equation, including substitutions and separable methods, while addressing notation and variable dependencies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a solution involving the substitution \(y=\sinh \theta\) and expresses confusion about simplifying terms involving \(\cosh\) and \(\sinh^{-1}\).
  • Another participant points out potential notation issues, suggesting that the original equation may not be a partial differential equation if \(x\) is treated as a function of \(u\) while \(y\) is a fixed parameter.
  • A later reply clarifies that the equation should be \(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{1+y^{2}}}\) and discusses the presence of a constant term in the solution.
  • One participant suggests that the equation is separable and provides a method for integrating it, treating \(x\) as a parameter.
  • Another participant acknowledges their initial confusion regarding the dependent and independent variables and expresses gratitude for the assistance received.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the original equation and its notation, leading to some confusion. There is no consensus on a single approach to the solution, and multiple viewpoints on the correct treatment of variables remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of variable dependencies and integration methods, as well as the potential for miscommunication regarding the formulation of the PDE.

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I have seen a couple of solutions to this PDE -

\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{1+y^{2}}}

One is -

u=\ln \left | y+\sqrt{1+y^{2}} \right |+f\left ( x \right )

I have no idea how this is arrived at or if it's correct. This is what i want to know.

The solution I've checked out makes the substitution of y=\sinh \theta giving -

u=x\ln \left | \cosh \theta \right | + f\left ( x \right )

which is where I'm a bit stuck as substituting in \theta =\sinh^{-1} y gives a \cosh \sinh^{-1} y term that i don't know how to simpify.

Any help with both of these would be appreciated
 
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AntSC said:
I have seen a couple of solutions to this PDE -

\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{1+y^{2}}}
I am confused by your notation. You have x differentiated with respect to u but on the right both x and y. If you really mean what you have, it is not a "partial" differential equation at all. We are thinking of x as a function of u, with y a fixed parameter. Further that is a separable equation: dx/du= x\sqrt{1+ y^2} gives
\frac{dx}{x}= \frac{du}{\sqrt{1+ y^2}}
ln|x|= \frac{u}{\sqrt{1+ y^2}}+ c
x= Ce^{\frac{u}{\sqrt{1+ y^2}}}
where C= e^c.

One is -

u=\ln \left | y+\sqrt{1+y^{2}} \right |+f\left ( x \right )

I have no idea how this is arrived at or if it's correct. This is what i want to know.

The solution I've checked out makes the substitution of y=\sinh \theta giving -

u=x\ln \left | \cosh \theta \right | + f\left ( x \right )

which is where I'm a bit stuck as substituting in \theta =\sinh^{-1} y gives a \cosh \sinh^{-1} y term that i don't know how to simpify.

Any help with both of these would be appreciated
Your original equation treats x as a function of u but your answer gives u as a function of x. Which is intended? if the latter, then
\frac{du}{dx}= \frac{\sqrt{1+ y^2}}{x}
\frac{du}{\sqrt{1+ y^2}}= \frac{dx}{x}
\frac{u}{\sqrt{1+ y^2}}= ln|x|+ C
u= (ln|x|+ C)\sqrt{1+y^2}
essentially just solving the previous equation for u.
 
Sorry, I've written the dependent and independent variables the wrong way round and got the independent variable wrong. It's been a long week!

It should be -

\frac{\partial u}{\partial y}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{1+y^{2}}}

for a function u\left ( x,y,z \right )

There will be a constant term in the form f\left ( x,z \right ) in addition to whatever the result of the integration yields (which i can't work out).
 
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Since there is no differentation with respect to x, you can treat x as a parameter:
\frac{du}{dy}= \frac{x}{\sqrt{1+ y^2}}
is separable
du= x\frac{dy}{\sqrt{1+ y^2}}
 
I've managed to get it sussed. Thanks everyone for the help. Even if it was for me to see that I've written the question down wrong! :smile:
 

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