Solve Classical Mechanics Homework Statement

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The discussion revolves around a classical mechanics problem involving constants and derivatives related to the Hamiltonian. The original poster is attempting to demonstrate that certain quantities are constants, using provided equations and expressions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate an expression involving momentum and position but struggles to show that specific quantities are constant. Some participants question the correctness of the problem statement based on unit consistency and suggest a potential mix-up between partial and total derivatives.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, providing clarifications regarding the use of derivatives and the implications of the Hamiltonian. There is acknowledgment of mistakes and a productive exchange of ideas, with some guidance offered on how to approach the differentiation correctly.

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There is mention of potential errors in the problem statement related to unit consistency, as well as confusion regarding the application of partial versus total derivatives in the context of Hamiltonian mechanics.

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Homework Statement



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I'm fine until showing that those 4 things are constants.

Homework Equations



dxj/dt=dh/dpj and dpj/dt=-dh/dxj

The Attempt at a Solution



I can't show they are constant, for example, can someone show me where I'm going wrong here for p1-0.5bx2:

d(p1-0.5Bx2)/dt=d(p1-0.5Bx2)/dxj*dh/dpj+d(p1-0.5Bx2)/dpj*(-dh/dxj)
=-0.5B*dh/dp2+(-dh/dx1)
=-0.5B(2p2-2eA2)+(eBp2+0.5e^2Bx1)

I think I'm fine on the last part as long as I can assume the constants.
 
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There seems to be a mistake in the problem statement as the units don't work out. The product eA has units of momentum, yet the problem asks about p1-Bx2/2. The second term has units of momentum/charge. You should be looking at the quantity p1-eBx2/2.

I think your problem is you're mixing up partial and total derivatives. You should have

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\left(p_1-\frac{1}{2}eBx_2\right) = \dot{p_1} - \frac{1}{2}eB\dot{x_2} = \frac{\partial H}{\partial x_1}-\frac{1}{2}eB\dot{x_2}[/tex]

Evaluate the partial derivative and write [itex]\dot{x_2}[/itex] in terms of [itex]p_2[/itex], and you should find everything cancels.
 
Thanks, that works perfectly.
I presume my mistake lay in partial dxi/dt (and pi) not being equal to the Hamilton partial derivatives.
 
Yes, exactly. The partial derivatives of the Hamiltonian give you total time derivatives, not partial time derivatives.
 

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