Solve Combination Problem: C(n,3) = C(n,8)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the equality of two combinations, C(n,3) and C(n,8), which relates to combinatorial mathematics and factorial operations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various algebraic manipulations of factorials, with some suggesting to expand the factorials to simplify the equation. Others express confusion about the proper algebraic methods to apply in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering different algebraic approaches and questioning the assumptions behind the factorial operations. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to solve the problem, but several productive lines of reasoning have been introduced.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the relationship C(n,a) = C(n,b) holds under certain conditions, which may influence the approach to solving the problem. There is also mention of potential guesswork involved in arriving at a solution.

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Homework Statement


C(n,3) = C(n,8)


Homework Equations



n!/(n-3)!3! = n!/(n-8)!8!

The Attempt at a Solution



My attempts at a solution are many and varied. But, I figure my problem is with the algebraic operations on factorials. Logically, since the numerators are both n!, I figure that I can ignore that and just work on (n-3)!3! = (n-8)!8!

I boiled this down to (n-3)!/(n-8)! = 6720. I solved this based on the fact that I know that 8!/3! = 6720. Therefore, (n-3)! = 8!, and n = 11. But this was simply guess work on my part. What I'm confused about is, what is the proper way to solve the problem? How do I perform algebra on these factorials?
 
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well, if u want a full on algebraic way then u basically write (n-3)! as

(n-3)(n-4)(n-5)(n-6)(n-7)(n-8)!

now cancel the (n-8)! from the numerator and the denominator...

u get a fifth degree equation and u solve that!
 
One way would be to write the factorials in their expanded forms.
Like (n-3)! = (n-3)(n-4)(n-5)(n-6)(n-7)(n-8)!
 
DecayProduct said:
C(n,3) = C(n,8)

Hi DecayProduct! :smile:

I'd just write the answer without giving a reason …

C(n,a) = C(n,b) only if a + b = n seems too obvious to require explanation.

(If you want an explanation, I suppose you could easily show that C(n,a) is monotone increasing in a until half-way, and then monotone decreasing)
 

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