Solve Electrical Circuit Problem: Find Forced Response Vx

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving an electrical circuit problem involving a parallel configuration of independent and dependent current sources along with a capacitor. Participants are attempting to find the forced response voltage \( V_x \) across the capacitor, given a specific current input and dependent relationship.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the circuit configuration and the equations derived from it, expressing uncertainty about how to arrive at the expected answer \( V_x = 2\cos(4t-135^\circ) \).
  • Another participant points out the mixing of time domain and frequency domain values, suggesting that all equations should be expressed in a single domain.
  • There is a suggestion to either convert all equations to the frequency domain or to keep everything in the time domain, referencing the relationship between voltage and current in the capacitor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the approach to take in solving the problem, as there are differing views on whether to use time domain or frequency domain analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion about the transition between domains and the implications of using different representations for the circuit elements, indicating a need for clarity on the assumptions underlying their equations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals studying circuit analysis, particularly those grappling with the concepts of forced response in electrical circuits and the implications of domain representation in circuit equations.

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Homework Statement


I don't have access to a scanner so I will just say it, it's simple.

An independent current source pointing up, in parallel with a dependent current source pointing up, in parallel with a capacitor. The independent current is providing the signal:

[tex]i_s(t)= \sqrt{2} cos(4t)[/tex]

The dependent current source is equal to:

[tex]gV_x[/tex], where [tex]i_s(t)g = 0.5[/tex].

Lastly, [tex]C = 0.125 F[/tex], and has voltage [tex]V_x[/tex] across it.

I need to find the forced response of [tex]V_x[/tex], which is the voltage across the capacitor.

The answer is : [tex]V_x = 2cos(4t-135\degree)[/tex], but I don't know how they got it.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Since both current sources are pointing up, I added them to get a single current source in parallel with a capacitor:

[tex]\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + gV_x[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + \frac{1}{2}V_x[/tex]

Now to find [tex]V_x[/tex], I just multiplied that by the impedance of the capacitor:

[tex]V_x = (\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + \frac{1}{2}V_x)(\frac{1}{j\omega C})[/tex]

[tex]V_x = (\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + \frac{1}{2}V_x)(\frac{1}{j0.5})[/tex]

[tex]V_x = (\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + \frac{1}{2}V_x)(\frac{2}{j})[/tex]

[tex]V_x = \frac{2\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + V_x}{j}[/tex]

[tex]jV_x - V_x = 2\sqrt{2} cos(4t)[/tex]

[tex]V_x(j - 1) = 2\sqrt{2} cos(4t)[/tex]

[tex]V_x = \frac{2\sqrt{2} cos(4t)}{j-1}[/tex]

[tex]V_x = \frac{2\sqrt{2} cos(4t)}{j-1} \frac{j+1}{j+1}[/tex]

[tex]V_x = \frac{j2\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + 2\sqrt{2} cos(4t)}{1+1}[/tex]

[tex]V_x = j\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + \sqrt{2} cos(4t)[/tex]

I don't know where to go from here. Could someone please tell me where I need to go from here to get the answer?
 
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EugP said:

Homework Statement


I don't have access to a scanner so I will just say it, it's simple.

An independent current source pointing up, in parallel with a dependent current source pointing up, in parallel with a capacitor. The independent current is providing the signal:

[tex]i_s(t)= \sqrt{2} cos(4t)[/tex]

The dependent current source is equal to:

[tex]gV_x[/tex], where [tex]i_s(t)g = 0.5[/tex].

Lastly, [tex]C = 0.125 F[/tex], and has voltage [tex]V_x[/tex] across it.

I need to find the forced response of [tex]V_x[/tex], which is the voltage across the capacitor.

The answer is : [tex]V_x = 2cos(4t-135\degree)[/tex], but I don't know how they got it.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Since both current sources are pointing up, I added them to get a single current source in parallel with a capacitor:

[tex]\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + gV_x[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + \frac{1}{2}V_x[/tex]

Now to find [tex]V_x[/tex], I just multiplied that by the impedance of the capacitor:

[tex]V_x = (\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + \frac{1}{2}V_x)(\frac{1}{j\omega C})[/tex]

[tex]V_x = (\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + \frac{1}{2}V_x)(\frac{1}{j0.5})[/tex]

[tex]V_x = (\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + \frac{1}{2}V_x)(\frac{2}{j})[/tex]

[tex]V_x = \frac{2\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + V_x}{j}[/tex]

[tex]jV_x - V_x = 2\sqrt{2} cos(4t)[/tex]

[tex]V_x(j - 1) = 2\sqrt{2} cos(4t)[/tex]

[tex]V_x = \frac{2\sqrt{2} cos(4t)}{j-1}[/tex]

[tex]V_x = \frac{2\sqrt{2} cos(4t)}{j-1} \frac{j+1}{j+1}[/tex]

[tex]V_x = \frac{j2\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + 2\sqrt{2} cos(4t)}{1+1}[/tex]

[tex]V_x = j\sqrt{2} cos(4t) + \sqrt{2} cos(4t)[/tex]

I don't know where to go from here. Could someone please tell me where I need to go from here to get the answer?

You are mixing values in the time domain (the current from the source) with values in the frequency domain (the impedance of the capacitor). You must express your equations in only one domain.
 
CEL said:
You are mixing values in the time domain (the current from the source) with values in the frequency domain (the impedance of the capacitor). You must express your equations in only one domain.

So what do I need to do in order to finish the problem?
 
EugP said:
So what do I need to do in order to finish the problem?

Either you write all equations in the frequency domain, where [tex]cos\omega t = \omega[/tex] or you write everything in the time domain, where [tex]v_c(t)=v_c(0)+\frac{1}{C} \int_{0}^{t} i_c(\tau)d\tau[/tex]
 
CEL said:
Either you write all equations in the frequency domain, where [tex]cos\omega t = \omega[/tex] or you write everything in the time domain, where [tex]v_c(t)=v_c(0)+\frac{1}{C} \int_{0}^{t} i_c(\tau)d\tau[/tex]

Oh now I understand. Thanks.
 

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