Solve Enjoyable Enigmas with Mr.E's Challenge

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The forum thread invites puzzle enthusiasts to share various types of puzzles, including cryptograms and whodunnits, while emphasizing that participants should know the answers without resorting to online searches. A code message is presented, which participants attempt to decode, leading to discussions about its meaning and possible interpretations. Participants also engage in solving additional puzzles, such as cutting a cake into pieces with minimal cuts and a physics challenge involving water and matchsticks. The conversation highlights the enjoyment of problem-solving and the creative thinking required to tackle these enigmas. Overall, the thread fosters a collaborative atmosphere for sharing and solving intriguing puzzles.
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Okay, this thread is for all the puzzle-buffs in the forum. Post any puzzle, problem, whodunnits, cryptograms or any darned thing that requires out-of-box thinking to solve; Provided of course you know the answer yourself. No Googling!
I will go first.:biggrin:

This code is a message for the guy who solves it first:
YY U R, YY U B,
I C U R YY 4 me.

Hint:

T=tea, Q=que

Mr.E
 
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This supposed to be a message for a guy.. And you got me here... Misogynist. *leaves*
 
Gad said:
This supposed to be a message for a guy.. And you got me here... Misogynist. *leaves*

Misogynist- hmm... perhaps a bit albeit subconsciously(working on it)...Conciously though I am apathetic to both sexes. I would edit the offending phrase but for some reason i can't :confused: don't know why edit's not working.
Sorry:(
 
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Come on PFers!
Really no-one?
 
So, are we supposed to fit other letters instead of the Ys to get the message?

This is not hard.. Come on guys, you can do it. :biggrin:
 
Gad said:
So, are we supposed to fit other letters instead of the Ys to get the message?

This is not hard.. Come on guys, you can do it. :biggrin:

Nope. Every letter(s) signifies a word.
 
Yes, I see that, except for the Ys, it doesn't make sense with double Y... wait
 
Enigman said:
Okay, this thread is for all the puzzle-buffs in the forum. Post any puzzle, problem, whodunnits, cryptograms or any darned thing that requires out-of-box thinking to solve; Provided of course you know the answer yourself. No Googling!
I will go first.:biggrin:

This code is a message for the guy who solves it first:
YY U R, YY U B,
I C U R YY 4 me.

Hint:

T=tea, Q=que

Mr.E

Twice you are, twice you be,
I see you are twice for me.

Or is that "twice for Emmy"?

They call my grandniece Emmy. I imagine it's short for Emmeline, or something.
 
OmCheeto said:
Twice you are, twice you be,
I see you are twice for me.
...
Getting Close!
Try something else for YY.
 
  • #10
Enigman said:
Getting Close!
Try something else for YY.

Wise you are, wise you be,
I see you are wise for Emmy.

:-p
 
  • #11
Lol.
 
  • #12
Disregard anything I post, I could have sworn I was in random thoughts.
 
  • #13
OmCheeto said:
Wise you are, wise you be,
I see you are wise for Emmy.

:-p

Try "too wise" throughout and "for me" at the end.
 
  • #14
Curious3141 said:
Try "too wise" throughout and "for me" at the end.

Yep, that is correct. By the way great signature Om ; almost mistook it for gibberish.
Ans. Too wise you are, too wise you be. I see you are too wise for me!
Here's the next one :
You have got a cake. Cut it into 8 pieces with three cuts of a knife only.
 
  • #15
Make a crose, then cut it horizontally. :p
 
  • #16
Gad said:
Make a crose, then cut it horizontally. :p

I know this one, I came up with the same answer when first asked; and yet I hate the answer because it's just no fair to get a bottom piece without the nice frosting. A bottom piece is not a real piece.

I'm suffering through what I think is a bout of gluten-intolerance, so I'm off it for the moment to see how I feel - shouldn't think about cake - arrgghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
 
  • #17
Once upon a time, in the faraway kingdom of Enigmania (:-p) the king decides its time for him to choose a suitable groom for his daughter. Four princes approach the king vying for the hand of the princess. In order to choose the best among the four suitors the king and the princess arrange a test: the suitors are brought to a large rectangular hall. The floor is covered with a carpet all over except at the corners- where there are four squares of bare floor and the suitors are told to stand at these corner. Each suitor takes a corner and stands there while the princess stands at the center of the hall. The king then proclaims the prince who without leaving their respective squares shall put a ring on the princess's hand will be declared to be the bridegroom of his daughter and the heir to Enigmania. No ropes or rods are allowed. How does the winner succeed in this trial?

(Why am I the only one posting questions? Come on PFers, I could use some brainstorming too...)
 
  • #18
Cause it's Enjoyable 'Enigmas'. :-p


Is any of the princes an illusionist? :biggrin:
 
  • #19
Nope...
 
  • #20
Enigman said:
... By the way great signature Om ; almost mistook it for gibberish.
...

That might be a fun game. All but one of those quotes were based on comments made on this forum.
Who said it, and what was the original quote?

lisab will definitely remember hers. I find that Integral used his phrase twice.

I can't find the post that inspired the "Music" quote, but I'm pretty sure it was Borek's fault.
It is abbreviated, as are all the quotes.

Goran Bregović said:
With music, I don't have to represent anyone except myself -- because I speak the first language of the world, the one everyone understands: music.

I think there are a total of 7 quotes intertwined. The first two lines of the Haiku contain 4 quotes.

Ha! It's a quantum signature. It has color, a bit of spin, definitely poly-dimensional, and no one really understands it. :-p
 
  • #21
Enigman said:
Once upon a time, in the faraway kingdom of Enigmania (:-p) the king decides its time for him to choose a suitable groom for his daughter. Four princes approach the king vying for the hand of the princess. In order to choose the best among the four suitors the king and the princess arrange a test: the suitors are brought to a large rectangular hall. The floor is covered with a carpet all over except at the corners- where there are four squares of bare floor and the suitors are told to stand at these corner. Each suitor takes a corner and stands there while the princess stands at the center of the hall. The king then proclaims the prince who without leaving their respective squares shall put a ring on the princess's hand will be declared to be the bridegroom of his daughter and the heir to Enigmania. No ropes or rods are allowed. How does the winner succeed in this trial?

(Why am I the only one posting questions? Come on PFers, I could use some brainstorming too...)
Simple,
Prince Charming calls the princess over.
:rolleyes:
 
  • #22
Not if he's ugly! he has to allure the princess, in other words, he has to be an illusionist. :biggrin:
 
  • #23
Gad said:
Not if he's ugly! he has to allure the princess, in other words, he has to be an illusionist. :biggrin:

LOL:smile:
 
  • #24
Here's a physics puzzle- One day I took a glass and poured a bit of water in it and let a cork float in it. Every time I placed it in the middle of the glass it drifted to the side. Can you tell me why and what I did to float it permanently in the middle? -without using any tape, strings and suchlike. (Should be easy for PFers...)
 
  • #25
Did you use a tooth paste?

:biggrin:
 
  • #26
I know the answer, but I won't give it away just yet.

Toothpaste is not needed. All that is needed is the glass, the cork and water**. Nothing more.*

*(Well, technically the atmosphere is needed, otherwise the water would just boil away. And gravity is also needed to keep the water and the cork in the glass. So there's that.)

There is a restriction on the shape of the glass though. The rim of the glass must be of constant height, relative to the bottom of the glass, otherwise it won't work. The rim of the glass doesn't have to be circular -- it can be of any shape. It just needs to be of constant height is all. That means getting the cork to stay in the center won't work if the glass is in the shape of a beaker or a pitcher that has a pouring lip.

**(It is assumed that water is plentiful. There are no restrictions on the amount of available water for this.)
 
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  • #27
My guess is that it involves a meniscus, and the addition of water.

ps. Another solution to the last problem, would be to drag that princess towards you.

Unless of course, they tacked them back then, as they do now.
 
  • #28
OmCheeto said:
My guess is that it involves a meniscus, and the addition of water.

ps. Another solution to the last problem, would be to drag that princess towards you.

Unless of course, they tacked them back then, as they do now.

My bartender was open enough to the thought that I was not totally crazy, and did the experiment.

I win. :smile:

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ps. collinsmark, after asking for some cork, he refused to put a whole wine-bottle cork in the shot-glass. I had to walk him through the process of removing just a bit of the cork; "No. The cork is too big! We just need a fingernails bit!"
The experiment went perfectly. :smile:

these kids nowadays...
 
  • #29
Both OmCheeto and Collinsmark are correct. I don't know about Gad though. The reasoning probably was that toothpaste would decrease the surface tension, though it might work with detergent- I don't know about toothpaste.

Onto the next one:
One day I asked you a waiter/waitress to bring me things: A plate, a glass of water, a book of matchsticks and a small piece of any fruit as long as its soft. I then took the glass of water and poured enough water on the plate to cover it and drank the rest of it. I told the waiter/waitress that if he could put the water in the plate back in the glass I would give him/her a hundred dollars, with condition that (s)he can't touch the plate though (s)he may use the matchsticks and the piece of fruit. A few minutes later the waiter/waitress walked off with hundred bucks. What did you do?
EDIT: Added 'you' and changed to gender neutral prose so that Gadrizzle doesn't mace me...
 
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  • #30
Were you a smoker when you did this, Enigman? :biggrin:
 
  • #31
I was never a smoker. :mad:
I am a saint without any vices. Bask in the light of my divine halo sundisk or just my awesomeness if you prefer.
:biggrin:
I will expect a witty rebuttal to that.
 
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  • #32
Well, if I were the waiter, I would split the fruit into two halfs, hold the plate with them, pour the water in the cup, eat the fruit, and take the matchsticks box even if you wanted them for your gas stove. :devil:

Oh, and take the 100$. :-p
 
  • #33
Enigman said:
... and a small piece of any fruit as long as its soft.
Alternative storyline:
Gadrizzle squishes the soft small fruit trying to lift a plate full of water, gets her hand messed up by the fruit, spills the water on table cloth, gets yelled at by the manager and doesn't get the fruit or the money...not to mention any tips whatsoever.
:devil:

Waiter, some Physics please!
 
  • #34
Fine then. Empty the matchsticks box, hold the plate with the box (you can bend it, right?), bring the plate to the edge of the table, tilt it and hold the cup with the other hand to collect the water... AND eat the fruit while I do this!
 
  • #35
You can use matchsticks only, read the question.
[Putting (s)he instead of he and waiter/waitress instead of waiter since you want the money so bad... or do you just want the fruit?]
 
  • #36
The fruit of course! :biggrin:

Edit: Hmm, writing 'THE WATER IS IN THE GLASS' with matchsticks on the table... while eating the fruit. :biggrin:

If this doesn't work I'll go look for a fruit in my refrigerator to eat then go to classes, and see how would other PFers solve it.
Still, the fruit is mine! :-p
 
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  • #37
I know this one too. Except for the fruit. The fruit inclusion confuses me. :confused:
 
  • #38
Don't know if this would work in practice, but I'd try it:

Put a piece of fruit on the plate, push a match into it sticking straight up with the business end at the top. Light it, then invert the glass over it. As the oxygen burns away, some, hopefully all, of the water would be pushed up into the glass by atmospheric pressure. The water would be "back in the glass".
 
  • #39
zoobyshoe said:
Don't know if this would work in practice, but I'd try it:

Put a piece of fruit on the plate, push a match into it sticking straight up with the business end at the top. Light it, then invert the glass over it. As the oxygen burns away, some, hopefully all, of the water would be pushed up into the glass by atmospheric pressure. The water would be "back in the glass".
Ah, yes. That would work. That's where the fruit comes into play.

It's the warming of the air inside the glass that does the trick. As the air cools it creates a vacuum "sucking"* the water back into the glass from the bottom. *(or more technically, "pushed" into the glass by atmospheric pressure, as zooby describes. Essentially the waiter/waitress just created a makeshift barometer.)

But you don't really need the fruit for that. All you really need to do is hold the match under the upside-down glass for awhile (you can hold the glass with one hand and the match with the other [you can also use a lighter, a candle, or pretty much any heat source that's hot enough]), and then carefully [albeit immediately] place the glass, still upside-down, on the water, and it will suck the water right in.

[Edit: And that way, Gad can snack on the fruit if she likes. :smile:]
 
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  • #40
I just did bit of experimentation. Two scenarios:
  • Match in the fruit: where the glass is held above the lit match and then eventually lowered into the water, completely encasing the fruit and match (the match eventually runs out of oxygen and then goes out).
  • Glass held upside down in one hand and a lighter in the other, then the glass (still upside down) was carefully, yet immediately, placed on the water: This case allowed me to keep the glass over the flame for a somewhat longer interval, not only heating the air in the glass, but the glass itself to an extent.*
The results were nearly the same. I think the match in the fruit trial brought slightly more water into the glass, but if so, not very much more.

Given the options, and considering the tasty treat possibilities, I'd say snack on the fruit.

[Edit: in both cases, I wasn't able to draw more than about a centimeter height of water back into the glass. So don't pour too much water on the plate, because there seems to be limit on the amount of water one is able to get back into the glass using this process.]

*[Another edit: further experimentation reveals that keeping the glass above the flame for longer periods does not aid in the process, and may even be counterproductive. A couple of seconds over the flame is all it takes.]

[Even one more edit: I hypothesize that one might get the most bang for the buck by using the match in the the fruit method, but ensuring that the glass is placed completely over the match and fruit and into the water before the sulfur head of the match completes its burning. Unfortunately I ran out of matches, so experimentation in this regard will have to be delayed for a bit.]
 
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  • #41
Nice experiments, Collinsmark!

Alternatively, the waiter could say, "Lemme think about it a minute," then go into the kitchen and find a bus boy and say, "I want you to go out in the dining room and watch for my signal. When you see the signal, rush quickly over to the table where I'm at. You'll see a plate of water and a glass. Pour the water into the glass. Then leave. The signal is: I'll light a match. Do this, and later I'll give you $5.00."
 
  • #42
I'm starting to understand why you are known as Enigman, as both of these puzzles puzzle me.

In the meniscus experiment, the cork floats to the higher level. But why? At that position, it would have the highest potential energy. I always thought systems tended towards the lowest level of energy.

And now this matchstick problem. The cellulose burning, consumes free oxygen, but emits both CO2 gas, and H2O vapor, and obviously is heating up the whole system. It doesn't make sense, if you know as little as I do.

I'm glad it's Friday. I will contemplate, or perhaps google, why these two enigmas baffle me.

:smile:

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ps. I would play the matchstick problem on my bartender, but he's on "Psychiatrist duty" at the moment.
 
  • #43
:blushing:
collinsmark said:
I just did bit of experimentation. ...

Me too!

The bucket* didn't work at all.

The pint glass amazed everyone, including me. :smile:

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*I don't know the names of "bar-ware", except for "shot" and "pint". :redface:
 
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  • #44
OmCheeto said:
I'm starting to understand why you are known as Enigman, as both of these puzzles puzzle me.

In the meniscus experiment, the cork floats to the higher level. But why? At that position, it would have the highest potential energy. I always thought systems tended towards the lowest level of energy.

It's true that when the cork is at a higher elevation, it has a higher potential energy. But that's just the cork. The system as a while has a lower potential energy when the cork is at the highest level.

When the cork is placed in water, the cork displaces its own weight in water. In other words, when the cork sinks into the water a little bit, an equal amount of water -- in terms of weight (not volume) -- rises up a little. The potential energy of the cork decreases slightly as it sinks a little, and the potential energy of the displaced water rises a little. Energy is not conserved though as the oscillations die out (at first the cork will do some "bobbing," but that doesn't last). Eventually an equilibrium is reached.

Since the water is denser than the cork, the potential energy of the whole system is lowest when the water is at its lowest level possible, which means the cork is at the highest level possible.

The water will "cling" upwards slightly at the sides of the glass due to capillary action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_action

That means the cork has the tendency to go to the sides of the glass where the water level is highest.

So the solution to the problem is fill up the glass of water as much as possible, such that the surface of the water fills slightly higher than the rim of the glass, and is held in a convex shape (rather than concave as it was previously) and held together by surface tension. Now the highest point in the water is in the center of the glass, rather than the edges. The cork moves to the center.

And now this matchstick problem. The cellulose burning, consumes free oxygen, but emits both CO2 gas, and H2O vapor, and obviously is heating up the whole system. It doesn't make sense, if you know as little as I do.

I'm glad it's Friday. I will contemplate, or perhaps google, why these two enigmas baffle me.
The fact that one of the byproducts is water probably adds a significant boost. But even just hot air cooling will draw much of the water into the glass.

If the glass is lowered into the water while the fire is still burning, a net amount of gas is actually being produced. But pressure doesn't build up inside the glass because when the pressure above atmospheric pressure, the gas simply exits the bottom of the glass and bubbles to the surface outside of the glass. There's no mechanism to keep the pressure inside the glass much above atmospheric pressure. In the end, at the point in time that the reaction stops, all that's left in the glass is hot gas, whatever that might be. (The fact that a good part of it is water vapor might play a significant role, but it's not essential.)

Neglecting vapor pressure for the moment, as the gas cools, it simply becomes a PV = nRT system. [Edit: with the pressure times area (force) equal to the weight of the net water in the glass.] The volume and pressure inside the glass decrease, causing the water to get "sucked" into the glass. (Or better worded, the water gets "pushed" into the glass by the pressure differential, the pressure difference between the pressure in the glass and atmospheric.)

Now let's consider that a small but significant fraction of the original gas might be water vapor. A good fraction of it probably is because it is one of the byproducts of the flame oxidation (a.k.a. the "burning" reaction). Vapor pressure is dependent on temperature alone (volume plays no role on the vapor pressure). So as the gas cools, the overall pressure can decrease more dramatically the more of the original gas is water vapor. This water vapor part isn't essential for the experiment to work, but it might play a significant role in bringing more water into the glass. (Instead of using a match, if you could pipe some steam into the upside down glass, all else being the same, you could draw *lots* of water into the glass -- as much as a water barometer would allow.)
 
  • #45
zoobyshoe said:
Don't know if this would work in practice, but I'd try it:

Put a piece of fruit on the plate, push a match into it sticking straight up with the business end at the top. Light it, then invert the glass over it. As the oxygen burns away, some, hopefully all, of the water would be pushed up into the glass by atmospheric pressure. The water would be "back in the glass".

.. I don't think so, my method is faster and would do it while enjoying the fresh fruit, not a smoked squashy one.

collinsmark said:
Ah, yes. That would work. That's where the fruit comes into play.

It's the warming of the air inside the glass that does the trick. As the air cools it creates a vacuum "sucking"* the water back into the glass from the bottom. *(or more technically, "pushed" into the glass by atmospheric pressure, as zooby describes. Essentially the waiter/waitress just created a makeshift barometer.)

But you don't really need the fruit for that. All you really need to do is hold the match under the upside-down glass for awhile (you can hold the glass with one hand and the match with the other [you can also use a lighter, a candle, or pretty much any heat source that's hot enough]), and then carefully [albeit immediately] place the glass, still upside-down, on the water, and it will suck the water right in.

[Edit: And that way, Gad can snack on the fruit if she likes. :smile:]

:approve:
 
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  • #46
A quick calculation shows that if you had a very tall, upside-down glass, and you filled it with completely with steam, then put it in a very large plate of water, it would suck up column of water approximately 10 meters high, at standard temperature and pressure.

If the glass is less than 10 meters tall, the column of water that it would suck up would reach nearly, but not quite, the top of the glass. If the glass is greater than 10 meters tall, the column of water would top out at about 10 meters; increasing the height of the glass wouldn't change the height of the water.
 
  • #47
Yep, this is correct. I owe this one to a manga 'Detective Conan'. I did solve it though. In the story a man is murdered using this to create a time alibi...
Well, wait till I think of the next one or post your own Enigma.
 
  • #48
collinsmark said:
A quick calculation shows that if you had a very tall, upside-down glass, and you filled it with completely with steam, then put it in a very large plate of water, it would suck up column of water approximately 10 meters high, at standard temperature and pressure.

If the glass is less than 10 meters tall, the column of water that it would suck up would reach nearly, but not quite, the top of the glass. If the glass is greater than 10 meters tall, the column of water would top out at about 10 meters; increasing the height of the glass wouldn't change the height of the water.
Thanks for properly explaining all this. My idea was correct by complete accident because my logic was based on the idea the match would deplete the oxygen, creating a partial vacuum. I was thinking of the common kid's science demonstration where you stuff some steel wool in the bottom of a glass, then invert it over a plate of water. As the steel slowly oxidizes, the water is draw up into the glass. I wasn't even thinking in terms of the heating and cooling of the air.
 
  • #49
I'm still trying to work out the FBD forces on the cork in a slanted liquid environment.

:blushing:

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in my head of course. I've 87 other more pressing problems to solve at the moment...
 
  • #50
OmCheeto said:
I'm still trying to work out the FBD forces on the cork in a slanted liquid environment.

:blushing:

It can get tricky. And the trick is to remember Archimedes.
Wasn't he in Random Thoughts just a few days back, destroying ships and stuff?

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/pbuoy.html
 

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