Solve Heat ODE Modeling Problem: u(t) & x(t)

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The discussion revolves around formulating a differential equation to model the temperature change in a heating plate based on input power and heat transfer characteristics. The context includes aspects of heat transfer and thermodynamics, focusing on deriving a mathematical representation of the system.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about how to start modeling the heat transfer problem and mentions a lack of experience with differential equations in this context.
  • Another participant identifies the problem as a 1D steady state heat conduction scenario with heat generation and convective heat loss, suggesting a differential heat balance approach.
  • A participant proposes a differential equation: x'(t) = - (g / C)x + (1 / C)u, derived from a heat balance equation.
  • There is a request for better formatting options for equations, indicating a desire for clarity in mathematical expressions.

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Participants seem to agree on the formulation of the differential equation, but there is no explicit consensus on the initial approach or the best method for representing the equations.

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The discussion includes assumptions about neglecting changes in room temperature due to air circulation and focuses on a specific modeling scenario without addressing broader applications or variations.

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Students or individuals interested in heat transfer modeling, differential equations in thermodynamics, or those seeking assistance with similar engineering problems.

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Im stuck on this question, can someone please help me?

u(t) = input power [W].
x(t) = temperature in plate [Celsius]
v = 0, temperature of surroundings [Celsius]
C = 400, heat capacity for plate [J/ Celsius]
g = 2, heat transfer plate / air [W / Celsius]

Question is something like this:
You're playing with the heat plate (Kitchen). The plate might be considered like a flat heat element, that radiates heat to the surroundings.
Find a differential equation for x(t).

Nb: the change of temperature in the room migtht be neglected due to
air circulation

Should be on the form like: x'(t) = ax + bu

I assume i need to use the ΔE = W + Q, but i kind of have no clue how to even start.
I checked if there was a solutions manual but, it was partly broken. The only experience i have with modelling something with heat is the heat equation. But that's a partial differential equation, and only one-dimensional, and i 'm not sure how to handle two functions in one equation?
 
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I know should try to come up with a possible solution, but I’ve been stuck with this all day, and I can't find any similar problems to start with either.
 
This is a 1D steady state heat conduction problem with heat generation within the body and a convective heat loss boundary condition at one of the surfaces. You need to perform a differential heat balance on a portion of the plate between x and x + Δx.
 
Ok, thanks.
 
Ok, I think I got it.

C dx = u dt - g(x-v)dt
x'(t) = - (g / C)x + (1 / C)u

Just an additional question: Is there some better way to type in equation, like Latex or similar?
 
CyberneticsInside said:
Ok, I think I got it.

C dx = u dt - g(x-v)dt
x'(t) = - (g / C)x + (1 / C)u

Just an additional question: Is there some better way to type in equation, like Latex or similar?
Do you see the words "LaTex / BBcode Guides" under the reply window?
 
Ah, found it !

So the answer would be \dot{x} = - \frac{g}{C}x + \frac{1}{C}u
 

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