Solve Impulse Momentum Homework Equation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem related to impulse and momentum, specifically involving the integration of force over time to determine the change in momentum of an object influenced by a spring. Participants are exploring the relationship between force, mass, and velocity in the context of a spring-mass system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss attempts to integrate force over time and question the initial conditions, such as the time variable used. There are suggestions to apply conservation of energy to find the speed of the mass as it leaves the spring. Some participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the assumptions made regarding the collision dynamics.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights and alternative approaches, including the use of conservation laws. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to solve the problem, with no clear consensus on the best approach yet. The discussion remains active with participants questioning the accuracy of their calculations and assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion regarding the timing of events in the problem, particularly the moment of collision and the conditions under which conservation laws apply. There is also mention of the importance of precision in calculations to avoid inaccuracies in results.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


∫Fdt = mvf-mvi



The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried integrating kxcdt from 0 - .01 and haven't had any luck.

I am not quite sure how to go about solving this problem...
 
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mpittma1 said:

Homework Statement


https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/l/t1.0-9/10155336_1407954212814131_2465716609293795371_n.jpg


Homework Equations


∫Fdt = mvf-mvi



The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried integrating kxcdt from 0 - .01 and haven't had any luck.

I am not quite sure how to go about solving this problem...
I don't know where you are getting the t= .01 s from. You are looking for the momentum change of m1 between its start point and the point where it leaves the spring. Try using conservation of energy to solve for the speed of m1 as it leaves the spring.
 
PhanthomJay said:
I don't know where you are getting the t= .01 s from. You are looking for the momentum change of m1 between its start point and the point where it leaves the spring. Try using conservation of energy to solve for the speed of m1 as it leaves the spring.

thank you!

this is what I did:

.5Kxc2=.5m1v12

v1=sqrt(kxc2/m1) = 1.02 m/s

then

∫Fdt = m1v1= 1.02(2.4) = 2.448Ns

Its not the exact same answer as the paper gives though,
any thoughts on that?
 
This looks like a 3 step problem to me. One with no integrals.

Having an inelastic collision means CoE is no good during the collision, but it says nothing about afterwards. You need both conservation of momentum and energy for this one.
 
I haven't worked out the m2 part but I think m2 does not collide with m1 until after m1 is released from the spring. Proceeding with this assumption, which should of course be verified:

No matter, the problem certainly does require an integration. You will need to solve ∫F dt.
Hint: relate v[x(t)] to x(t), the position of m1. Then use a chain rule to solve the integral.

EDIT: thanks folks for reminding me that there is a hard way and an easy way. I certainly took the hard way!
 
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mpittma1 said:
thank you!

this is what I did:

.5Kxc2=.5m1v12

v1=sqrt(kxc2/m1) = 1.02 m/s

then

∫Fdt = m1v1= 1.02(2.4) = 2.448Ns

Its not the exact same answer as the paper gives though,
any thoughts on that?

Do not round too early, too much. v1 is inaccurate.

ehild
 

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