Solve Open Tank Fluid Question: Time to Empty Half Tank

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The discussion revolves around a fluid dynamics problem involving the time required to empty half of a cylindrical open tank through an opening at the side. Participants explore various mathematical approaches to solve the problem, including ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and potential use of partial differential equations (PDEs).

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using ODEs and Torricelli's law to derive an equation for the fluid level based on mass balance.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the complexity of the problem and the concept of PDEs.
  • A third participant questions the clarity of the problem statement, noting potential missing dimensions and suggesting that if the opening is small, the flow may be laminar, leading to a specific velocity equation.
  • This participant proposes integrating the flow equations to find the height of the fluid over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the approach to solving the problem, with multiple methods suggested and some confusion expressed regarding the terminology and complexity of the equations involved.

Contextual Notes

The problem statement lacks specific numerical values for the dimensions of the tank and opening, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the flow regime (laminar vs. turbulent) and the definitions of terms used.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in fluid dynamics, particularly those looking to understand the application of ODEs in solving fluid flow problems.

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question:(a little bit tricky)
A cylindrical open tank needs cleaning. The tank is filled with water to a height meter, so you decide to empty it by letting the water flow steadily from an opening at the side of the tank, located near the bottom. The cross-sectional area of the tank is square meters, while that of the opening is square meters.

How much time does it take to empty half the tank? Express your answer numerically in seconds. Take the free-fall acceleration due to gravity to be meters per second per second.

anyone can help me solve this question thank you a lot!
 
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Sounds like a standard problem in ODEs. Could you be doing homework?

If you are going to solve it with ODE's, use Torricelli's law for the velocity of the jet and derive an ODE for the level of the fluid from the law of mass balance.

If you want to use PDE's, you're guess is as good as mine.
 
a little bit complicated to understant that. also i don't know what is PDE?
 
"The cross-sectional area of the tank is square meters, while that of the opening is square meters."

Is this some typo or maybe the dimensions are secret and were cut by the censor?
If the opening is small compared with the area of the tube, the flow is probably laminar and the speed of the jet is v=sqrt(2gh), i think.
Then the fluid flow is A*v = d(volume)/dt
d(volume)= density*g*dh
Plug in the speed and integrate to find h(t).
 

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