Solve the simultaneous equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of simultaneous equations involving exponential expressions, specifically equations of the form ##2^{x+y}=6^y## and ##3^x=6 \cdot 2^y##. Participants are exploring the relationships between the variables x and y and the implications of their derived equations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to manipulate the equations using logarithmic properties and expressing one variable in terms of another. There are discussions about the validity of derived values and their satisfaction of the original equations. Some participants question the correctness of their calculations and the implications of the results.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the results. There is an acknowledgment that certain values satisfy one of the derived equations but not the original, leading to further exploration of the relationships between the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to express variables in terms of one another.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the original equations, with a participant correcting a notation error. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the problem setup and the implications of the derived equations.

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Homework Statement
##2^{x+y}=6^y##

##3^x=6(2^y)##
Relevant Equations
simultaneous equations
##2^{x+y+1}##=##3^{x+y-1}##
##\frac {x+y+1}{x+y-1}##=##\frac {log 3}{log 2}##
this is where i reached, i just got this problem from my old notes, i do not think we can solve this...
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement:: ##2^{x+y}=6^y##

##3^x=6.2^y##
Relevant Equations:: simultaneous equations

##2^{x+y+1}##=##3^{x+y-1}##
##\frac {x+y+1}{x+y-1}##=##\frac {log 3}{log 2}##
this is where i reached, i just got this problem from my old notes, i do not think we can solve this...
Take the log (in whatever is your favorite log base) of both sides of each equation.
 
alternatively,
##2^\frac {x+y}{y}##=##6##
##2^\frac {x+y}{y}##=##\frac{3^x}{2^y}##
##2^{x+y}=3^x##
##(x+y) log 2##= ##xlog 3##
on simplifying this i end up with,
##0.5849x=y##
 
Mark44 said:
Take the log (in whatever is your favorite log base) of both sides of each equation.
ok, but will still need to express ##x## in terms of ##y##...right, just check my subsequent working on this...
 
Once you have solved for x in terms of y or y in terms of x, just substitute in the other equation.
 
ok, i get
##3^x=6.2^y##
##xlog 3= log 6+0.5849x log 2##
##0.477x=0.778+0.176x##
##0.477x-0.176x=0.778##
##0.301x=0.778##
##x=2.58##
is this correct? actually i am trying to prove the values i.e
##x=2.5862##
##y=1.5142##
and i can see that these values do not approximate the first equation of the problem...
but interestingly, they satisfy the equation,
##2^{x+y}=3^x## which follows from the original problem...
 
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x\log(3) = y\log(6.2)
(x+y)\log(2)= x\log(3)

now solve for y in the first equation and substitute into the second and solve for x.
 
I think I already did that...check my posts...
 
What i meant in post ##6##, is that the values of ##x## and ##y## do not satisfy the original equation, ##2^{x+y}##=##6^y##, but satisfy the other equation ##2^{x+y}=3^x##, that follows from the original problem. I hope I am clear...
 
  • #10
chwala said:
ok, i get
##3^x=6.2^y##
##xlog 3= log 6+0.5849x log 2##
I can't tell what you did in the equation above.
If ##3^x = 6.2^y##, then ##x \ln(3) = y \ln(6.2)##
chwala said:
##0.477x=0.778+0.176x##
##0.477x-0.176x=0.778##
##0.301x=0.778##
##x=2.58##
is this correct? actually i am trying to prove the values i.e
##x=2.5862##
##y=1.5142##
Where did these values come from?
If they don't satisfy both equations, they are not a solution to the system of equations.
chwala said:
and i can see that these values do not approximate the first equation of the problem...
but interestingly, they satisfy the equation,
##2^{x+y}=3^x## which follows from the original problem...
It's really irrelevant that they happen to satisfy only one of the equations. Since it is an equation in two unknowns, there are an infinite number of pairs of numbers that satisfy it.

For the record, I get y = 0 and x = 0, which satisfy both equations.
 
  • #11
Sorry Mark, that equation is supposed to be ##3^x##=## 6 ##times ## 2^y## and not ##6.2^y##
 
  • #12
allow me to amend the original equation...:cool:
 
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