Solve Vertical Circles Problem: Find Roller Coaster Speed

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The problem involves a roller coaster navigating a vertical circle, specifically focusing on the forces acting on a passenger at the bottom of the dip. The original poster attempts to determine the speed of the roller coaster based on the forces experienced by the passenger.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the passenger, including normal force and weight, and question the original poster's calculations and assumptions regarding the forces involved.

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Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's analysis, noting that the calculations seem correct but questioning the interpretation of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of a potential misunderstanding regarding significant figures in the answer.

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Participants are exploring the definitions and roles of forces in the context of circular motion, particularly the distinction between normal force and weight. There is a mention of a discrepancy in the expected answer and the original poster's calculations.

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Here's the question.

A roller coaster at an amusement park has a dip that bottoms out in a vertical circle of radius r. A passenger feels the seat of the car pushing upward on her with a force equal to twice her weight as she goes through the dip. If r=20.0 m, how fast is the roller coaster traveling at the bottom of the dip?

I'm having some real troubles answering this problem. Thus far, here's
what I've come up with.

Fc = ( mv^2 ) / r
FN - 2mg = ( mv^2 ) / r
2mg - mg = ( mv^2 ) / r
(2mg - mg )(r) = ( mv^2 )
(2mg - mg )(r) = ( v^2 )
sqrt( (2mg - mg )(r) ) = v

sqrt( ( 19.6 - 9.8 m/s^2 )( 20.0m ) ) = v
14 m/s = v

I've been informed that 14 m/s is not the correct answer and that to one digit the correct answer is 10 m/s.

It seems to me that I have all the right pieces, but I may be missing something. Will someone help, please? Big thanks!
 
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Create a relationship at the bottom of the coaster. Draw a picture of all of the forces and find the resultant force.
 
These are the only forces I see:

UP: F_c, F_N
Down: W

Am I missing any?
 
CORRECTION:

UP: F_N
Down: W (mg)
 
What do you mean by F_N? The forces felt by the person at the bottom will be the centrifugal force (your F_c?) and the person weight, both downward.
 
chmilne said:
CORRECTION:

UP: F_N
Down: W (mg)
Correct. Those are the only forces acting on the person.

Your analysis--and answer--in post #1 seem correct to me. (It's also true that to one significant digit, 10 m/s is the answer--14 rounds off to 10. But why in the world would you settle for one digit?)
 
Thanks for the help.

There was something lost in translation when the professor told me 'to one digit.'

Thanks again.
 

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