Solving a certain equation involving logarithms

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation involving logarithmic and polynomial functions, specifically where log(x) equals x raised to the power of 0.1. Participants explore the nature of the functions involved and the methods for finding solutions, including numerical approaches and special functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that log(x) increases more slowly than x raised to any power and seeks to find the intercepts of log(x) = x^0.1.
  • Another participant corrects a misunderstanding regarding the manipulation of the equation, clarifying that log(x)/x = e^0.1 is not equivalent to log(x) = x^0.1.
  • It is suggested that equations of this nature typically do not have simple solutions and may require numerical methods or special functions like Lambert's W function for resolution.
  • A participant mentions that modern computer algebra systems (CAS) can solve such equations using the Lambert W function.

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Participants generally agree that the equation does not have a straightforward solution in terms of elementary functions and that numerical methods or special functions are necessary. However, there is no consensus on the best approach or any specific tricks that might simplify the problem further.

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Some limitations include the dependence on numerical methods and the Lambert W function, which may not be familiar to all participants. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the relationship between logarithmic and polynomial functions without resolving the mathematical intricacies involved.

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I'm reading book called "Prime Obession" which attempts to give a layperson's introduction to the Riemann Hypothesis. In laying the groundwork in one of the early chapters the author is explaining the fact that the function log(x) increases more slowly in total than x raised to any power. For example, log(x) crosses the function x^0.1 somewhere less than e^e, and then falls below it again somewhere in the quadrillions. I'm wondering how one would go about solving the equation to find the Y axis intercepts? I want to find where log(x) = x^0.1, in trying to simplify the problem I end up with log(x)/x = e^0.1, but I'm not able to go any farther. The equation obviously has two solutions, so I imagine there's a polynomial involved somewhere? Any advice would be appreciated.
 
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bitrex said:
For example, log(x) crosses the function x^0.1 somewhere less than e^e, and then falls below it again somewhere in the quadrillions. I'm wondering how one would go about solving the equation to find the Y axis intercepts? I want to find where log(x) = x^0.1, in trying to simplify the problem I end up with log(x)/x = e^0.1, but I'm not able to go any farther. The equation obviously has two solutions, so I imagine there's a polynomial involved somewhere? Any advice would be appreciated.

log(x)/x = e^0.1 is not the same as log(x) = x^0.1.

Generally, equations like this have no easy solutions (though they can be solved in terms of a special function called Lambert's W). The best way is probably by numerical methods:

Code:
gp> solve(x=1,9,log(x)-x^.1)
time = 0 ms.
%1 = 3.0597266796208088546065494702258610157
gp> solve(x=1e15,1e16,log(x)-x^.1)
time = 0 ms.
%2 = 3430631121407801.2027753365093892641824
 
Yes, you're right. I made a mistake in playing around with the equation: log(x^0.1) != log(x)^0.1 . I considered that numerical methods would probably be a way to solve it; I just wasn't sure if there were some trick that I was missing. Thanks so much for your speedy reply!
 
This is equivalent to the idea that any function [itex]f(x)=a^x[/itex] for all values a>1 will rise faster than any polynomial of nth degree such as [itex]g(x)=x^n[/itex] n very large.
 
log(x) = x^(0.1)
exact solution is not possible in terms of your standard schoolbook functions
modern CASs like Maple will solve this using the Lambert W function...

x = 10000000000 (W(-0.1))10
 

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