Solving a Functional Equation Problem: Finding f(3)-f(0)

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The discussion revolves around solving a functional equation involving a continuous function \( f: \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R} \) defined by the equation \( f(x) - 2f\left(\frac{x}{2}\right) + f\left(\frac{x}{4}\right) = x^2 \). Participants are attempting to find the value of \( f(3) - f(0) \), exploring various approaches and reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem and suggests that \( f(0) = 0 \) based on their deductions.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that \( f(0) \) must be zero, noting that substituting \( x = 0 \) yields \( 0 = 0 \) without providing a definitive value for \( f(0) \).
  • Several participants propose a method of repeatedly applying the functional equation to fractions of \( x \) to derive a series for \( f(x) \) that may converge to a limit, suggesting that this could lead to an expression for \( f(x) - f(0) \).
  • There is a discussion about the expansion of the series and the inclusion of terms, with one participant noting a mistake in their previous calculations regarding the coefficients of the series.
  • Another participant suggests that as \( n \) approaches infinity, the continuity of \( f \) at \( x = 0 \) implies a specific form for \( f(x) \), leading to a series that can be summed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value of \( f(0) \) or the exact form of \( f(x) \). Multiple competing views and methods for solving the functional equation are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding \( f(0) \) and the convergence of the series derived from the functional equation. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation of \( f(x) \) from the functional equation.

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Problem:
Let $f:R\rightarrow R$ be a continuous function such that
$$f(x)-2f\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)+f \left( \frac{x}{4} \right)=x^2$$
Find $f(3)-f(0)$.

Attempt:
I really don't know how should I approach this problem. I could only deduce that $f(0)=0$. Then I tried putting a few values for $x$ i.e $x=1,2,3$ but that doesn't seem to help. I honestly don't know what should I do to find the value of $f(3)$.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

(I am not sure if this should belong to the Algebra section)
 
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Pranav said:
Problem:
Let $f:R\rightarrow R$ be a continuous function such that
$$f(x)-2f\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)+f \left( \frac{x}{4} \right)=x^2$$
Find $f(3)-f(0)$.

Attempt:
I really don't know how should I approach this problem. I could only deduce that $f(0)=0$. Then I tried putting a few values for $x$ i.e $x=1,2,3$ but that doesn't seem to help. I honestly don't know what should I do to find the value of $f(3)$.
To start with, I do not see why $f(0)$ should be $0$. If you put $x=0$ in the above equation then you just get $0=0$.

Next, suppose that you repeatedly apply the definition to fractions of $x$, like this: $$\begin{aligned} f(x) &= x^2 + 2f\bigl(\tfrac x2\bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) \\ &= x^2 + 2\Bigl(\bigl(\tfrac x2\bigr)^2 + 2f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr)\Bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) \\ &= x^2 + \tfrac{2x^2}4 + 3f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) - 2f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr) \\ &= x^2 + \tfrac{2x^2}4 + 3\Bigl(\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr)^2 + 2f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x{16}\bigr)\Bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr) \\ &= \ldots .\end{aligned}$$ Continuing in that way, you should find a series for $f(x)$ that converges to a limit, giving a expression for $f(x) - f(0).$
 
Hi Opalg! :)

Opalg said:
To start with, I do not see why $f(0)$ should be $0$. If you put $x=0$ in the above equation then you just get $0=0$.

Sorry about that. :o

Next, suppose that you repeatedly apply the definition to fractions of $x$, like this: $$\begin{aligned} f(x) &= x^2 + 2f\bigl(\tfrac x2\bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) \\ &= x^2 + 2\Bigl(\bigl(\tfrac x2\bigr)^2 + 2f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr)\Bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) \\ &= x^2 + \tfrac{2x^2}4 + 3f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) - 2f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr) \\ &= x^2 + \tfrac{2x^2}4 + 3\Bigl(\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr)^2 + 2f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x{16}\bigr)\Bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr) \\ &= \ldots .\end{aligned}$$ Continuing in that way, you should find a series for $f(x)$ that converges to a limit, giving a expression for $f(x) - f(0).$

I don't get this. If I continue from where you left,
$$f(x)=\frac{3x^2}{2}+\frac{3x^2}{4^2}+5f\left( \frac{x}{8}\right)-3\left(\frac{x}{16}\right)$$
$$=\frac{3x^2}{2}+\frac{3x^2}{4^2}+5\left(\frac{x^2}{4^3}+2f\left(\frac{x}{16}\right)-f\left(\frac{x}{32}\right)\right)-3f\left(\frac{x}{16}\right)$$
$$=\frac{3x^2}{2}+\frac{3x^2}{4^2}+\frac{5x^2}{4^3}+7\left(\frac{x}{16}\right)-5f\left(\frac{x}{32}\right)$$
I don't see what I have to do with the above, I can keep on expanding the above and I will end up with a series plus (something)*f(x/something'). :confused:
 
Pranav said:
Opalg said:
To start with, I do not see why $f(0)$ should be $0$. If you put $x=0$ in the above equation then you just get $0=0$.

Next, suppose that you repeatedly apply the definition to fractions of $x$, like this: $$\begin{aligned} f(x) &= x^2 + 2f\bigl(\tfrac x2\bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) \\ &= x^2 + 2\Bigl(\bigl(\tfrac x2\bigr)^2 + 2f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr)\Bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) \\ &= x^2 + \tfrac{2x^2}4 + 3f\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr) - 2f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr) \\ &= x^2 + \tfrac{2x^2}4 + 3\Bigl(\bigl(\tfrac x4\bigr)^2 + 2f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr) - f\bigl(\tfrac x{16}\bigr)\Bigr) - \color{red}{2}f\bigl(\tfrac x8\bigr)\quad \color{red}{\text{I left out a 2 from the previous line!}} \\ &= \ldots .\end{aligned}$$ Continuing in that way, you should find a series for $f(x)$ that converges to a limit, giving a expression for $f(x) - f(0).$
I don't get this. If I continue from where you left,
$$f(x)=\frac{3x^2}{2}+\frac{3x^2}{4^2}+5f\left( \frac{x}{8}\right)-3\left(\frac{x}{16}\right)$$
$$=\frac{3x^2}{2}+\frac{3x^2}{4^2}+5\left(\frac{x^2}{4^3}+2f\left(\frac{x}{16}\right)-f\left(\frac{x}{32}\right)\right)-3f\left(\frac{x}{16}\right)$$
$$=\frac{3x^2}{2}+\frac{3x^2}{4^2}+\frac{5x^2}{4^3}+7\left(\frac{x}{16}\right)-5f\left(\frac{x}{32}\right)$$
I don't see what I have to do with the above, I can keep on expanding the above and I will end up with a series plus (something)*f(x/something'). :confused:
Putting in the $2$ that I left out, you should end up with a series looking like $$\sum_{k=0}^n \frac{(k+1)x^2}{4^k} + (n+2)\,f\bigl(\tfrac x{2^{n+1}}\Bigr) - (n+1)\,f\bigl(\tfrac x{2^{n+2}}\Bigr).$$ As $n\to\infty$, the continuity of $f$ at $x=0$ tells you that $$f(x) = \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(k+1)x^2}{4^k} + f(0).$$ Then you just have to sum that series.
 
Opalg said:
Putting in the $2$ that I left out, you should end up with a series looking like $$\sum_{k=0}^n \frac{(k+1)x^2}{4^k} + (n+2)\,f\bigl(\tfrac x{2^{n+1}}\Bigr) - (n+1)\,f\bigl(\tfrac x{2^{n+2}}\Bigr).$$ As $n\to\infty$, the continuity of $f$ at $x=0$ tells you that $$f(x) = \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(k+1)x^2}{4^k} + f(0).$$ Then you just have to sum that series.

That is great! Thanks a lot Opalg! :)

I am sorry for being careless. :o

(I really miss the thanks button.)
 

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