Solving a Matrix Problem with Trigonometric Functions

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The discussion revolves around a matrix problem involving trigonometric functions, specifically addressing the conditions under which the matrix has non-trivial solutions. Participants explore the implications of the equation a + b + c = 0 and the calculation of the determinant of the matrix.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • mathstkk presents a matrix and questions whether the highlighted term 'NO' indicates that the only solution is the trivial solution [0].
  • Chiro suggests that the trivial solution is a = 0, b = 0, c = 0, while any other solutions would be non-trivial.
  • mathstkk calculates the determinant and finds it to be a complex expression: det = 1 - cos²(a) - cos²(b) - cos²(c) + 2cos(a)cos(b)cos(c), expressing frustration over the complexity of the trigonometric elements.
  • Another participant advises using trigonometric identities and substitutions to simplify the determinant, specifically suggesting substituting c = -a - b.
  • mathstkk contemplates whether the terms in the determinant could equal -cos(a + b + c) and expresses difficulty in simplifying the expansion of this term.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the best method to simplify the determinant or the implications of the conditions set by a + b + c = 0.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the properties of trigonometric functions, as well as the complexity of the determinant expression.

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Hi, everyone, I am mathstkk, I am new to the Physics Forum, but I think, at my first sense, this forum is going to be helpful to me^^

Recently, I met one problem about matrix.
The problem is as follow:
Show that the matrix below has NO non-trivial solution if a+b+c=0
The matrix is
1 cos(c) cos(b)
cos(c) 1 cos(a)
cos(b) cos(a) 1

With the highlighted word 'NO', is it means that the only solution to the matrix is [0]?
If it is so, I would have to find the determinant of the matrix, right?
But still I find that the working was rather complicated with the trigonometric function as the element of the matrix.

So, can someone help me to solve this problem?
I appreciate those who offers help to me^^
Thank you very much to all of you!
 
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Hey mathsTKK and welcome to the forums.

In terms of a non-trivial solution I think, but I may be wrong, that the trivial solution to
a + b + c = 0 is a = 0, b = 0, c = 0 and any other solutions are the non-trivial ones.

If you put in the non-trivial solution you'll get a matrix full of 1's and since they are linearly independent you get det(A) = 0 in this case.
 
Thanks Chiro for that reply^^

Btw, I have tried to find its det too, but it ends up with a mess, the result was as follow:

det=1-cos^2(a)-cos^2(b)-cos^2(c)+2cos(a)cos(b)cos(c)

from a+b+c=0, do I need to substitute c=-a-b to the det equation? But I think that will end up messier,haha!

I have to prove that det=0 but no matter how I try to plug in the unknowns, it jz end up messier.

I dunoe how to continue the equation.

Can u help me? or someone else has any suggestion?

I appreciate all of you^^
 
Are you are aware of the trig rules like cos(a+b) cos(a-b) and so on? If you use the substitution c =-a-b you can get everything in terms of sin and cos of a and b. For things like -a you can use properties that sin(-a) = -sin(a) and cos(-a) = cos(a).

You'll get everything in terms of sin and cos in a and b and you should get something that is reducible so that you can solve it.
 
Oh, Okay, I will try and see and will type the solution here if I solve it.

Btw, from the equation of the det, is there a possible that the terms after the first term, i.e 1 is equals to -cos(a+b+c) which =-cos(0)=-1, then 1-1 will be equals to 0=det?

I try to expand the term cos(a+b+c), but it ends up to
cos(a)cos(b)cos(c)-sin(a)sin(b)cos(c)-sin(a)cos(b)sin(c)-cos(a)sin(b)sin(c),
how to simplify this expansion?

So complicated! haha!
 

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