Solving a problem with Monotonic convergence.

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The discussion revolves around the sequence defined by An = √(A_{n-1}), where A0 is a positive constant. It is established that the sequence {An} is decreasing if A0 > 1 and increasing if A0 < 1. Additionally, the sequence is bounded below for A0 > 1 and bounded above for A0 < 1, with the limit as n approaches infinity being A_n = 1. The participants emphasize the necessity of distinguishing between the two cases of A0 to validate the behavior of the sequence.

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Homework Statement



I have a problem that states that An = [tex]\sqrt{A_{n-1}}[/tex]
, N is [tex]\geq[/tex] 1 where A0 is a positive constant.

I have to show that the sequence

{An} is decreasing if A0 > 1 and increasing if A0 < 1.

Show that the sequence is bounded below if A0 > 1 and bounded above
if A0 < 1.

Also I have to show the limit as n [tex]\rightarrow\infty A_n = 1[/tex]




The Attempt at a Solution



Now I'm pretty sure that I am right so I just need some verifcation here. This is what I did:

A0 = [tex]\sqrt{A_{1-1}}[/tex] = [tex]\sqrt{A_0}[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{A_0}[/tex] < A_0[/tex]
A0 < (A0)2

Call A0 = F(n)
F(n) > 1
F(n) = [tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex]. F(n) < N [[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex] < 2]
F(n) < 1
F(n) = [tex]\sqrt{1/4}[/tex]. F(n) > N [[tex]\sqrt{1/4}[/tex] = 1/2 > 1/4]

So {An} decreases if A0 > 1 and increases if A0 < 1.

Because of the behavior of An in relation to N, An will always be less than N itself. If An > 1 and will be bounded below N.

Likewise if An An < 1 An will be greater than N and will always be bounded above.

3.

n [tex]\stackrel{Lim}{\rightarrow}[/tex][tex]\infty[/tex] |[tex]\sqrt{A_n/A{n-1}}[/tex] = 1

Via the ratio test.


So, is this a valid approach or am I off?
 
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Homework Statement



I have a problem that states that An = [tex]\sqrt{A_{n-1}}[/tex]
, N is [tex]\geq[/tex] 1 where A0 is a positive constant.

I have to show that the sequence

{An} is decreasing if A0 > 1 and increasing if A0 < 1.

Show that the sequence is bounded below if A0 > 1 and bounded above
if A0 < 1.

Also I have to show the limit as n [tex]\rightarrow\infty A_n = 1[/tex]




The Attempt at a Solution



Now I'm pretty sure that I am right so I just need some verifcation here. This is what I did:

A0 = [tex]\sqrt{A_{1-1}}[/tex] = [tex]\sqrt{A_0}[/tex]
You mean A1 is equal to [itex]\sqrt{A_0}[/itex]


[tex]\sqrt{A_0}[/tex] < A_0[/tex][/quote]
This is only true if A0> 1. There are two different problems here, A> 1 and A< 1, and you need to distinguish between them.

A0 < (A0)2

Call A0 = F(n)
I presume you mean An[/sup]= F(n). Other wise there is no "n" in F(n).

F(n) > 1
If you are dealing with the "A0> 1" case, F(0)> 1 and you need to prove this for other n.

F(n) = [tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex].
What? Even assuming you mean A0, you are not given this!

F(n) < N [[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex] < 2]
F(n) < 1
Okay, I assume you are now doing the other case.

F(n) = [tex]\sqrt{1/4}[/tex]. F(n) > N [[tex]\sqrt{1/4}[/tex] = 1/2 > 1/4]

So {An} decreases if A0 > 1 and increases if A0 < 1.
You have not proved that. Do so.

Because of the behavior of An in relation to N, An will always be less than N itself. If An > 1 and will be bounded below N.

Likewise if An An < 1 An will be greater than N and will always be bounded above.

3.

n [tex]\stackrel{Lim}{\rightarrow}[/tex][tex]\infty[/tex] |[tex]\sqrt{A_n/A{n-1}}[/tex] = 1

Via the ratio test.


So, is this a valid approach or am I off?

I would recommend using "proof by induction".
 
Okay based on what you are saying, If I rewrite the first part of the problem like this

A1 = [tex]\sqrt{A<sup>0</sup>}[/tex]
And then write that this infers that A0 > A1
I could then say A0 > 1 ?

Then use that inequality to prove N > 1 by comparing An-1 > An?
Saying n -1>n would lead to n > n +1.

From there I guess using An = F(n) would be okay?
 

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