Solving a System of Equations with 3 Variables

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a system of two equations with three variables, specifically focusing on how to add a third equation to ensure the system has a unique solution. The equations provided are x + 2y + z = 1 and 3x - 4y = 2.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of finding a third equation and explore the implications of different values for the coefficients a, b, c, and d. There are attempts to derive expressions for z and questions about how these relate to the uniqueness of the solution.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various suggestions for approaches, such as using Gaussian elimination and constructing augmented matrices. Some participants express confusion about the conditions required for a unique solution and seek clarification on the relationships between the variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, particularly regarding the requirement for the system to have one and only one solution, and the implications of setting certain coefficients to zero.

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Homework Statement



A system of two equations with 3 variables is given.

x + 2y +z = 1
3x - 4y = 2

calculate a thrird equation and add it to the system. the resulting system must have one and only one solution.

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The Attempt at a Solution



my guess is that I must solve the matrix

x + 2y +z = 1
3x - 4y = 2
ax + by+ cz =d

for x, y, z but I have no idea how to show that this system has only one solution.
I really need help with this please. Any advice is welcome, thanks in advance.
 
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Here's a suggestion: write up the augmented matrix. Reduce it to row echelon form. Note that the coefficient of z in the ref must not be zero. Solve the system of 3 equations.

Here's what i got:[tex]z=\frac{-8a-b+10d}{-4a-3b+10c}[/tex]You can take any combinations of a,b,c,d as long as z is not equal to zero.
 
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I got z = (2b +4c)/(b+2d) I am having some difficulties to calculate the augmented matrix with the variables. how did you came to your result?

assuming that I find x, y and z then is that all that the one solution I am ask to find ?
 
Jimmy84 said:

Homework Statement



A system of two equations with 3 variables is given.

x + 2y +z = 1
3x - 4y = 2

calculate a thrird equation and add it to the system. the resulting system must have one and only one solution.

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution



my guess is that I must solve the matrix

x + 2y +z = 1
3x - 4y = 2
ax + by+ cz =d

for x, y, z but I have no idea how to show that this system has only one solution.
I really need help with this please. Any advice is welcome, thanks in advance.

Just do Gaussian elimination. From the first equation you can get x in terms of y and z. Plugging that expression into the second equation, you have an equation containing y and z alone. You can use that equation to solve for y in terms of z (or for z in terms of y if you prefer). Let's say you have y in terms of z; from before, you also have x in terms of y and z, so can use your expression for y(z) to get x in terms of z. So now you have x and y both expressed in terms of z. Substituting your x and y expressions into the third equation gives you an equation involving z alone. You want that equation to have a unique solution for z, so that will give you restrictions on your parameters a, b, c and d.

RGV
 
by solving for z would it mean that the system would have only one solution? after finding z should I also find x and y in terms of a b c n d?

Thanks
 
sharks said:
Here's a suggestion: write up the augmented matrix. Reduce it to row echelon form. Note that the coefficient of z in the ref must not be zero. Solve the system of 3 equations.

Here's what i got:[tex]z=\frac{-8a-b+10d}{-4a-3b+10c}[/tex]You can take any combinations of a,b,c,d as long as z is not equal to zero.

Do I need to solve for x and y in terms of z ?

I'm being ask to calculate a third equation and to add it to the system.

Any advice please?
 
sharks said:
You can take any combinations of a,b,c,d as long as z is not equal to zero.
Try simple substitutions. Let a, b = 0 and let c, d = 1. What do you get for z? Then, what does ax + by+ cz =d become?
 
sharks said:
Try simple substitutions. Let a, b = 0 and let c, d = 1. What do you get for z? Then, what does ax + by+ cz =d become?

why should z not be zero? So 0(x) 0(y) +1(z) =1 where a, b =0 and c, d =1

thanks for the help.
 
Jimmy84 said:
Do I need to solve for x and y in terms of z ?

I'm being ask to calculate a third equation and to add it to the system.

Any advice please?

What part of my previous response did you not understand? Did you actually sit down and DO what I suggested?

RGV
 
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Ray Vickson said:
What part of my previous response did you not understand? Did you actually sit down and DO what I suggested?

RGV

sorry I was confused justifying how does a,b=0 c,d=1 make a single solution to the system.

Thanks for your time.
 

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