Solving a Tough Integral with Maple's Tutor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a challenging integral encountered in a math exam, specifically the integral \(\int \frac{dx}{x - \sqrt{9 - x^2}}\). Participants explore various substitution methods and transformations to simplify the integral, sharing their approaches and experiences with the problem.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the substitution \(x = 3\sin(t)\) to eliminate the square root, leading to an integral involving trigonometric functions.
  • Another participant mentions that this substitution simplifies the integral to \(\int \frac{\cos t}{\sin t - \cos t} dt\), which can be approached using the Tangent Half Angle Method.
  • There is a reference to a solution found on Wolfram Alpha, indicating that partial fraction expansion may be necessary after the substitution.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in converting their resulting integral to match the expected form, indicating a potential misunderstanding or error in their approach.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of experience in handling the complexities of the Tangent Half Angle Method and suggests reviewing the Wolfram solution for guidance.
  • One participant proposes multiplying the numerator and denominator by \(\sin(t) + \cos(t)\) after the substitution to facilitate the integration process.
  • A later post introduces a shortcut involving a specific manipulation of the integral after the trigonometric substitution, leading to a logarithmic expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views and methods for solving the integral, with no consensus on a single approach. Some express confidence in their methods, while others indicate uncertainty or difficulty in achieving the desired form.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the integral and the necessity of back substitution and partial fraction expansion, but specific steps and assumptions remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators dealing with advanced integration techniques, particularly those involving trigonometric substitutions and rational functions.

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There was a tough integral in my math exam that I failed to solve it and so left it blank.After that I used maple's tutor to learn how to solve it.I understood all steps but the first.My problem is that I don't know what function of x, u is.

\int \! \frac{dx}{ x-\sqrt {9-{x}^{2}}}=\int \!4\,{\frac {u}{-1+{u}^{4}+2\,{u}^{3}+2\,u}} {du}


thanks
 
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First try x=3sin(t). That should eliminate the square root and that will give you a integral of a function containing sin(t) and cos(t).

Then, try the substitution u=tan(t/2). That should give you the right-hand side.
 
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'Tis a tough one

The 1st substitution x=3sin t will simplify to
Integral cos t / [ sin t - cos t ] dt

This is perfect for the Tangent Half Angle Method
sometimes called Weierstrass Method.
Let u = tan (t/2)

One needs some experience to arrive at the 4th order polynomial
you have but it is the correct one. Then partial fraction expansion
is called for.

See the near full solution at www.wolframalpha.com

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integral++cos+x+/+[+%28sin+x+-+cos+x%29+]++dx
[ You may need to cut and paste this link ]

One still needs to back substitute.
 
I did as you said but I got integral below which doesn't seem to be convertable to the right side of the equality in my first post.

{2} \int \! \frac {1-{t}^{2}} {{t}^{4}+{2}{t}^{3}+{2}{t}-{1}} {dt}
 
You may need to click on "Show Steps" in the upper right hand corner
to see the step by step solution.
Tangent Half Angle Method converts a rational trig integrand to a rational algebraic integrand.
But you need some experience as I mentioned as the details do look complex.

Study the Wolfram solution and you should find your error

Note it is still a long way to the final Antiderivative.
Partial Fraction Expansion is required and then back substitution

Keep at it. It will feel good to do such an involved integration
 
Ooooops double post
Sorry
 
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I think our professor thought we are professors too. :confused:
Any way.I got it.Thanks
 
Shyan said:
I think our professor thought we are professors too. :confused:

Reconsidered post deleted
 
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I think the most obvious method is, after applying the substitution x=3sin(t), just multiply numerator and denominator by sin(t)+cos(t) and then apply the double angle formulas.
 
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I remember solving this sort of problems in high school FP3...best way to do is to remove square root by a suitable substitution.
 
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I don't think anyone saw the shortcut: once you do the trig substiution, do this

\int \frac{\cos x}{\sin x - \cos x}\; dx = <br /> \frac{1}{2} \int \frac{\cos x + \sin x}{\sin x - \cos x}<br /> -\frac{\sin x - \cos x}{\sin x - \cos x} \;dx

which is easily

\frac12\left(\ln|\sin x - \cos x| - x)+C
 
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