Solving a Two-Terminal Black Box Circuit

  • Thread starter Thread starter phrygian
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Box Circuit
Click For Summary
The discussion revolves around analyzing a two-terminal black box circuit containing an inductor, capacitor, and resistor. When a 1.5 V battery is connected, a steady current of 1.5 mA flows, indicating a stable state after initial transients. An AC voltage of 1V RMS at 60 Hz results in a current of 10 mA RMS, while increasing the frequency to 1 kHz leads to a peak current exceeding 100 A. Participants clarify that the capacitor cannot be in parallel with the resistor or inductor immediately after connecting the battery due to the nature of current flow and voltage across the components. The consensus is to consider the 1.5 mA as the stable current for analysis, ignoring initial transient effects.
phrygian
Messages
77
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



A two-terminal “black box” is known to contain an inductor L, a
capacitor C, and a resistor R. On connecting a 1.5 V battery, 1.5 mA
flows. When an AC voltage of 1V RMS at 60 Hz is connected, 10 mA
RMS flows. As the frequency increases at a fixed 1 V RMS, the
current reaches a maximum of over 100 A at 1 kHz. Sketch the circuit
in the black box and find values for L, C and R.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I can't figure out how to start this one because of the phrase "on connecting the battery". I think that must mean immediately after connecting the battery, but I don't know how the circuit could be set up if that was the case because no current can flow through the capacitor when there is zero frequency. Can someone help me see how the circuit is supposed to be set up?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
What would happen if the capacitor was connected in parallel to the resistor and/or inductor?

AM
 
I figured this: it can't be connected in parallel to the resistor or inductor + resistor because right after the battery is connected the potential drop across the capacitor is 0 because it hasn't charged yet, and the problem states there is current. Since there is current after the battery is connected there must be no potential across the inductor too right? Because the inductor won't allow sudden changes in current like going from 0 to 1.5 mA
 
phrygian said:
I figured this: it can't be connected in parallel to the resistor or inductor + resistor because right after the battery is connected the potential drop across the capacitor is 0 because it hasn't charged yet, and the problem states there is current. Since there is current after the battery is connected there must be no potential across the inductor too right? Because the inductor won't allow sudden changes in current like going from 0 to 1.5 mA
A 0 voltage across the capacitor does not mean there is no current in the circuit. Current leads voltage in a capacitor. So there is current through the capacitor initially as charge (and voltage) is building up. When there is maximum voltage drop across the capacitor there is no current at all.

You have to assume that the current of 1.5 mA is the stable current that results from the application of 1.5 DC. The current becomes stable after a very short time so ignore initial effects.

AM
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
152
Views
7K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
849
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K