Solving an RC circuit using explicit euler

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The discussion revolves around solving an RC circuit using the Explicit Euler method, focusing on a circuit with a 10 V battery, 1 Ω resistor, and 1 F capacitor. The user attempts to derive the stability conditions for the circuit's voltage over time, leading to confusion about the stability criteria and the behavior of the voltage as time progresses. It is clarified that the equation remains stable as long as the final voltage does not exceed fixed bounds, even if it approaches zero. The conversation highlights the distinction between stability and the acceptable behavior of the solution, particularly regarding the error bounds. Ultimately, the user acknowledges the analytical solution's behavior and the need for careful consideration of time step sizes in numerical methods.
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Homework Statement



Hi there. I have a simple RC circuit with a battery voltage of 10 V, R = 1 Ω, C = 1 F and a switch. I want to use the Explicit Euler (forward divided difference) to solve the equation and check for stability, rather than using a ODE. I am finding the equation for when the capacitor is fully charged and then the battery removed, standard situation etc.

Homework Equations



C. dv/dt + V(t)/R = 0 (loop equation for the circuit)

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The first thing I attempted to do was rewrite / rearrange the circuit in the form v(tnew) = v(told)(1 + a.Δt)n then check what value of t the equation would be unstable for.

dv/dt + V(t)/RC = 0

Rewriting dv/dt as (Vf - Vi)/Δt,

(Vf - Vi)/t + V(t)/RC = 0
... leads to

Vf = Vi - Δt/RC
Vf = Vi(1 - Δt/RC) ----- equation 1

So a = -1/RC = -1, giving

v(t) = Vi(1 - Δt)
v(t) = 10(1 - Δt)

For v(t) to be unstable, |1 - Δt| > 1 ∴ t should be 2sec or more.

However, logically speaking shouldn't the equation be unstable at values of t > 1 sec. Because if you plug Δt = 1 sec, the final voltage is always 0. Where have I made a mistake?
 
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You mix up stable and good. Δt = 1 sec gives a stable solution all right !
 
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OK for t = 1 sec, V is constantly zero which is still OK I guess, but for t = 1.1 sec, equation 1 gives -1V. This shouldn't be possible?
 
What you mean is: that isn't good. But it is still stable: V does not exceed any bound for growing t.
[Iedit] I should correct that: the error does not exceed any bound.
 
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So unstable would be if the final voltage kept increasing at some exponential rate, much higher than the original value of 10 V?
 
Yes. Unstable is when the error can exceed any fixed bound. Doesn't have to be exponential.
 
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Alright. Thank you so much for the quick response. :)
 
Note that your differential equation has a very decently behaving analytical solution.Perhaps that's why the gap between a 'good' Δt (*) and the unstability criterion is rather wide.
[edit] I think that I have to withdraw that. No basis for such a statement, I suppose

(*) Just play around with excel and check that a 1 mV upper bound on the error requires Δt < 0.5 msec or thereabouts

PS I suppose with "a ODE" you mean some wrapped integrator that comes with your program ? (Not shrink wrapped, because then you might see that it could well be an explicit Euler too... :smile: )
 

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