Solving Angular Momentum Problem: Dividing by L/4 Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the conservation of angular momentum, specifically in the context of a bullet striking a rod and causing it to spin. Participants explore the relationship between linear momentum and angular momentum, questioning the application of dividing by L/4 in the calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the problem setup and their initial approach to calculating angular momentum by dividing linear momentum by L/4, questioning the rationale behind this step.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial approach assumes the bullet stops after impact, which may not be the case if the bullet embeds into the rod, indicating a need to consider the system's total momentum.
  • A later reply clarifies that the expression P*L/4 represents the angular momentum of the bullet with respect to the center of mass just before the collision, emphasizing that linear momentum does not need to be converted to angular momentum as the bullet possesses both types of momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of momentum in the problem, particularly regarding the implications of the bullet's behavior post-impact. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the relationship between linear and angular momentum in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight assumptions regarding the bullet's motion after the collision and the implications for calculating angular momentum. The discussion remains open regarding the correct application of the formulas and the conditions under which they hold.

Who May Find This Useful

Students working on problems related to conservation of momentum, particularly in collision scenarios involving rotational motion, may find this discussion relevant.

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I got a homework problem the other day, and it was a conservation of angular momentum problem. Basically a bullet hits a rod, and a rod starts to spin. I needed to find how fast the rod was rotating.

I didn't get the answer right, but I was looking up the answers, and it says that to convert it to the angular momentum, I had to divide my linear momentum by l/4(because the bullet strikes the rod l/4 over the center of mass.)

So it looked like this:

P = Linear Momentum = M(b)*V(b) + M(r)*V(r)

AM =Angular Momentum = (I(b)+I(r))*ω

P*L/4 = AM and then solve for ω
Why does dividing by L/4 get me to Angular momentum?

Or was initial momentum suppose to be covering linear momentum and angular momentum?

So Initial Momentum should have been (initial Linear momentum + initial Angular momentum )
and Final Momentum should have been (final linear momentum + final angular momentum)?
 
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The answer you've shown seems that it would only apply if the bullet completely stops after impact with the rod, a somewhat elastic collision. If the bullet continues to move after impact (including getting imbedded into the rod), then part of the angular and linear momentum of the system composed of bullet + rod remains in the bullet.

If the bullet completely stops, then it's linear momentum equals the impulse the bullet imparts to the rod. You can then treat the problem as an impulse applied to the rod at a point 1/4 the length of the rod away from the rod's center of mass.
 
I forgot to mention that. You are right, the bullet does get embedded into the rod. But I'm still not getting the intuition of why L/4 is being multiplied. Is there any connection between linear and angular momentum?
 
paki123 said:
P*L/4 = AM and then solve for ω
Why does dividing by L/4 get me to Angular momentum?
It's multiplying and not dividing.
P*L/4 is the angular momentum of the bullet (in respect to the center of mass) right before collision. What you have there is conservation of angular momentum for the collision.
You don't need to "convert" linear momentum to angular momentum. The bullet has both.
 

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