Solving Arc Length of 9x^2 = 4y^2 from 0 to 1

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the arc length of the curve defined by the equation 9x² = 4y² from y = 0 to y = 1. Participants are exploring the implications of the equation and its representation in the xy-plane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the meaning of R² and its relevance to the problem, with some attempting to interpret the curve as two line segments. There is a focus on the setup of the integral for arc length and the limits of integration based on the curve's geometry.

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the limits of integration and the representation of the curve. There is a recognition of the need to consider both segments of the curve and their respective ranges in the xy-plane.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the limits of integration and the interpretation of the curve in different quadrants, indicating a need for clarity on the geometric representation of the equation.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


l = int( sqrt( 1 + (dy/dx)^2) dx) from a to b


The Attempt at a Solution


So far I'm stuck at the R^2 thing. I know if it was just R it would mean the set of all real numbers, but I'm not sure as to what R^2 means and I don't know how to google that. Normally I would ignore it and just try to do the arc length of the 9x^2 = 4y^2 from 0 to 1 part, but that equation is just two straight opposite sloped lines right? So I know the R^2 has to mean something important, but I can't figure it out.
 
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R^2 is just the xy plane. And it is a pretty easy problem. The curve is just two line segments as you said.
 
Oh...okay I guess that makes sense, it means like the set of real numbers in two dimensions?

So if I just treat the curve as two line segments..

9x^2 - 4y^2 = 0
18x - 8y(y') = 0
-8y(y') = -18x
y' = 9x/4y
(y')^2 = 81x^2 / 16y^2
1 + (y')^2 = 1 + 81x^2 / 16y^2 = (16y^2 + 81x^2)/16y^2
= (16y^2 + 36y^2)/16y^2 = 52y^2 / 16y^2 = 13/4

l = integral sqrt(13)/2 dx from 0 to 1
= [sqrt(13)x/2] evaluated from 0 to 1
= sqrt(13)/2

So the arc length is sqrt(13)/2?
 
Times 2 since in the second quadrant 0 <= y <= 1 is still true...so sqrt(13)?
 
Careful. You drew a picture of the curve, right? It isn't x that goes from 0 to 1. It's y. What's the x range? You've also got a second segment with negative x values.
 
Oh so I do the integral from 0 to 2/3? And then get 2(sqrt(13)/3) because the "curve" is in quadrant 1 and 2?
 
downwithsocks said:
Oh so I do the integral from 0 to 2/3? And then get 2(sqrt(13)/3) because the "curve" is in quadrant 1 and 2?

That's what I get. You can also check it by drawing the triangles and using the Pythagorean Theorem, right?
 
Yeah I get the same answer, thank you!
 

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