Solving BTZ Black Hole w/ Euclidean Method

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the mass and entropy of a non-rotating BTZ black hole using the Euclidean method. Participants explore the formulation of the Euclidean action and address issues related to signs in the calculations.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over obtaining an extra minus sign in the calculation of the Euclidean action for the BTZ black hole, despite following what they believe to be standard procedures.
  • The BTZ metric is presented, along with the formulation of the Euclidean action, which includes integrals over the bulk and boundary terms.
  • Another participant questions the source of the minus sign, noting that if the Euclidean action is expressed as ##S_E = \beta M##, then the derivative with respect to ##\beta## should yield ##M##, suggesting no sign issue.
  • A third participant asks how to deduce the Euclidean action for the BTZ black hole, indicating a need for clarification on the derivation process.
  • A later reply suggests that the bulk action should be integrated from the horizon radius ##r_h## to ##r_0## instead of from ##0## to ##r_0##, implying this change could resolve the sign issue.
  • Another participant reiterates the confusion regarding the minus sign, emphasizing that ##\beta## is a function of ##M##, which may affect the interpretation of the results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the source of the minus sign in the calculations. Multiple viewpoints are presented regarding the integration limits and the interpretation of the Euclidean action.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the integration limits and the dependence of ##\beta## on ##M##, which may influence the calculations and interpretations of the Euclidean action.

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I know this is some kind of exercise problem, but it isnot widely discussed in general general relativity textbook. Sorry to post it here.

I want to calculate the mass and entropy of non-rotating BTZ black hole using Euclidean method. When I calculate the Euclidean action, I always get an extra minus sign. I think the claculation is standard. Who can help me out? Thanks in advanced.

The BTZ metric $$ds^2=(r^2-8M)d\tau^2+\frac{dr^2}{r^2-8M}+r^2d\phi^2$$
where ##\tau\sim \tau+ \beta , \beta=\frac{\pi}{\sqrt{2M}}##

The Euclidean action for BTZ is $$S_E=-\frac{1}{16\pi} \int_M \sqrt{r}(R+2) -\frac{1}{8\pi} \int_{\partial M} \sqrt{h} K +\frac{a}{8\pi} \int_{\partial M} \sqrt{h}$$
For the BTZ black hole solution, we have
$$\sqrt{g}=r, \sqrt{h}=r\sqrt{r^2-8M}$$
$$ n_{\alpha}=(r^2-8M)^{-1/2}\partial_{\alpha} r $$
$$ R=-6, K=\frac{r}{\sqrt{r^2-8M}}+\frac{\sqrt{r^2-8M}}{r} $$

Then we have

$$ -\frac{1}{16\pi} \int_M \sqrt{r}(R+2) =\frac{\beta}{4}r^2_0$$
$$-\frac{1}{8\pi} \int_{\partial M} \sqrt{h} K=-\frac{\beta}{4}[2r^2_0-8M^2]$$
$$ \frac{a}{8\pi} \int_{\partial M} \sqrt{h}=a\frac{\beta}{4}[2r^2_0-4M^2] $$

In order to cancel the divergent part of the action, we take ##a=1##. Then the Euclidean action is ##S_E=\beta M =\frac{\pi^2 }{2\beta}##, and the black hole energy is ##E=\frac{\partial}{\partial \beta} S_E=-M##. This is awkard since we know that ##E=M## for the black hole.
 
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I don't see where you are getting the minus sign. You say ##S_E = \beta M##. So $$\frac{\partial}{\partial \beta} S_E = \frac{\partial}{\partial \beta} \beta M = M$$
 
How to deduce the Euclidean action for BTZ?
 
I think the problem is that the bulk action part should be integral from ##r=r_h## to ##r=r_0## rather than ##r=0## to ##r=r_0##. Then it is ok.
 
davidge said:
I don't see where you are getting the minus sign. You say ##S_E = \beta M##. So $$\frac{\partial}{\partial \beta} S_E = \frac{\partial}{\partial \beta} \beta M = M$$
##\beta ## is the function of M.
 

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