Solving cubic equation with matrices

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The discussion revolves around solving for the coefficients b, c, and d in a cubic equation of the form y = x³ + bx² + cx + d, given three points: (-2, -13), (-1, 0), and (1, 2). The original poster expresses difficulty in finding a solution due to having only three points and mentions a potential fourth data point that could help.

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  • Participants discuss the adequacy of three data points to form a system of equations for the unknowns. There are suggestions to modify the matrix setup to better represent the problem, including removing certain rows from the matrices. Questions arise about the implications of matrix dimensions and the approach to solving the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions for matrix configurations and questioning the setup of the equations. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but various approaches are being explored to address the original poster's concerns.

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There is a mention of constraints related to the matrix dimensions and the need for a fourth data point to fully define the cubic equation. The original poster's confusion regarding the matrix inversion and the inclusion of known values in the unknown vector is also noted.

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I need to find b, c and d in a cubic equation of the form y=x3+bx2+cx+d (ie. a=1 if a is the coefficient of x3). I've been given three points (-2,-13), (-1,0), (1,2). If I had a fourth piece of data i could solve the equation I suppose, but with only three I've really struggled. Here's what I've got so far:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9821/matrix0iw.gif

(1) is just the set out
(2) I've entered the data
(3) I've rearranged the equation

But when I thin input the equation on my calculator (the TI-89 Cas calc) I get a matrix in which every row has x and y in it. But that solution doesn't agree with the back of the book, which states that:
b=-2
c=0
d=3

which indicates a final equation of y=x3-2x2+3

I've thought of using a matrix system which ommits the top row of all three matrices, but of course that equation system isn't defined.

I'd really apprieciate any help, thanks.
 
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3 pieces of data is enough, you'll have 3 equations and 3 unknowns. Remove the first [x^3 x^2 x 1] row from the first matrix and the first [y] row from the last (but don't change the [1 b c d]^T matrix). It's representing the equation y=x^3+bx^2+cx+d, which doesn't help you solve for b, c, and d.
 
shmoe said:
3 pieces of data is enough, you'll have 3 equations and 3 unknowns. Remove the first [x^3 x^2 x 1] row from the first matrix and the first [y] row from the last (but don't change the [1 b c d]^T matrix). It's representing the equation y=x^3+bx^2+cx+d, which doesn't help you solve for b, c, and d.

So your suggesting the following matrix?

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8471/matrix28pd.gif

because the matrix to the negative power is undefined, and even if it were, a matrix with 4 columns can't multiply with a matrix of 3 rows.
 
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So your suggesting the following matrix?

No, he's suggesting

Code:
/-8  4 -2  1 \ /1\   /-13\
|-1  1 -1  1 | |b| = |  0|
\ 1  1  1  1 / |c|   \  2/
               \d/

Obviously you can't simply invert your matrix to solve this one. So use something else. :-p


Incidentally, is there any particular reason you put a known into your unknown vector? You could use a matrix inversion, if you really wanted to, and set the problem up right.
 

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