Solving Emergency Problem Involving Rod Rotating Around Z Axis

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a rod rotating around the z-axis with a mass constrained to move along it. The mass is subject to gravitational force and negligible friction, and the problem requires the application of Newton's second law in an inertial frame of reference to derive equations of motion.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of Newton's second law for the mass and the appropriate coordinate system to use. There are questions about the relationship between the normal force and gravitational force, as well as the application of spherical coordinates in the context of the problem.

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Some participants have attempted to clarify their understanding of the forces acting on the mass and the equations of motion. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of spherical coordinates and the implications of the acceleration components. Multiple interpretations are being considered, particularly regarding the use of different forms of acceleration in the equations.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the assumptions made about the motion of the mass and the implications of using different coordinate systems. There is also mention of constraints related to the problem setup, such as the assumption of a constant angle between the rod and the z-axis.

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There is a rod rotating around the z axis with angular velocity \omega.The angle between the rod and z axis is constant and equal to \alpha.A mass m is constrained to move on the rod.The gravitational force is in the negative direction of z axis and the friction between the mass and rod is negligible.At time t=0 , the mass is at distance r_{0} from the origin and is stationary relative to rod.

1-In a proper coordinate system,write the Newton's second law for the mass in a inertial frame of reference and write the differential equations of motion.Highlight the expressions indicating the reaction of rod.

2-Solve the differential equations and write the mass's distance from origin as a function of time.

3-Calculate the reaction force of the rod(direction and magnitude)


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Thanks a lot.My mistake was that I didn't write N but only the centripetal force.

But it seems sth is wrong there.Just imagine such a thing not rotating.you know that the mass slides down.So it seems that N \sin {\alpha} is not equal to mg.
Another question.
Last night I worked on it and got some things but there is a big puzzle in my mind.
Textbooks say that the acceleration in spherical coordinates is as following:

\textbf{a}=(\ddot{r} - r \dot{\phi}^{2} \sin ^ {2} \theta -r \dot{\theta}^{2}) \hat{e_{r}} + ( r \ddot{\theta} + 2 \dot{r} \dot{\theta} - r \dot{\phi} ^ {2} \sin {\theta} \cos{\theta}) \hat{e_{\theta}} + (r \ddot{\phi} \sin{\theta} + 2 \dot {r} \dot {\phi} \sin {\theta} + 2 r \dot{\theta} \dot{\phi} \cos{\theta}) \hat{e_{\phi}}<br />

Shoud I use the r coordinate of the above equation for writing Newton's 2nd law or simply write m \ddot{r} ?
I tried both.When I use the equation above I get crazy things.But when I use m \ddot{r} I get a cosine.
I'm just wondering that the above equation is the most general and can't understand why it becomes wrong in this problem.

The last question.
The \theta coordinate of the acceleration should be zero.But when I write the Newton's 2nd law in that coordinate and replace \ddot{\theta} with zero,I get r=constant,which is clearly wrong.Could you write that?

thanks
 
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