Solving Euler's Equation: Finding Solutions of the Form x^r

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The discussion revolves around Euler's equation, specifically exploring solutions of the form x^r. The original poster presents two parts of the problem: deriving the characteristic equation and solving a specific Euler equation.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the characteristic equation and expresses confusion regarding the appearance of the natural logarithm in the solution. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding derivatives, particularly when r equals zero. Others suggest exploring alternative methods, such as reduction of order, to derive the solution.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights into the derivation of the natural logarithm in the solution. There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants offering clarifications and alternative perspectives on the original poster's approach.

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The discussion includes considerations of double roots in the characteristic equation and the implications for the solutions of the differential equation. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's struggle to find explanations or derivations online regarding the natural logarithm's role in the solution.

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Homework Statement


Part 1: Show that Euler's equation has solutions of the form x^r. This can be found by obtaining the characteristic equation ar(r-1) + br + c = 0
Part 2: Solve the following Euler equation: x^{2}y'' + xy' = 0

Homework Equations


Euler's Equation:
ax^{2}y'' + bxy' + cy = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


For part 1, I didn't have much of a problem, I let y(x) = x^{r}. Therefore:
y'(x) = rx^{r-1}
y''(x) = r(r-1)x^{r-2}
Substituting these values into the Euler equation:
ax^{2}(r)(r-1)x^{r-2} + bx(r)x^{r-1} + cx^{r} = 0
ax^{2}[r(r-1)x^{r-2}] + bx[rx^{r-1}] + c[x^{r}] = 0
a(r^{2}-r)x^{r} + brx^{r} + cx^{r} = 0
a(r^{2}-r) + br + c = 0
ar(r-1) + br + c
This is the characteristic equation, so that portion of the problem is solved. For part 2, I am not really having a problem formatting the problem, but I am having a problem understanding the given solution. Here is what I did:
x^{2}y'' + xy' = 0
r(r-1) + r = 0
r^{2} - r + r = 0
r^{2} = 0
So the answer has repeated roots with r = 0. So the solution given in the back of the book is:
Y(x) = c_1 + c_{2}ln(x)
I looked around online and verified that this is indeed the answer. However, I am having some trouble understanding where the natural log came from, there is no explanation given in my book and I also can't seem to find a derivation online. Probably I am missing something obvious, but I was hoping someone could help me out and give an explanation, thanks.
 
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I would look at the assumption you used for the derivatives.
##y' = x^{r-1} ##
If r = 0, you either have the trivial solution, or something else that satisfies that assumptions.
 
RUber said:
I would look at the assumption you used for the derivatives.
##y' = x^{r-1} ##
If r = 0, you either have the trivial solution, or something else that satisfies that assumptions.
Thanks for the advice...I was wondering, could I also try to derive that equation using reduction of order, similar to how the solution Y(x) = c_{1}e^{\frac{-bx}{2a}} + c_{2}xe^{\frac{-bx}{2a}} is derived?
 
Here's an argument that shows you where the ##\ln x## comes from. For simplicity I will call your differential equation ##ax^2y''+bxy'+cy = 0## as ##L(y)=0## where ##L## is the differential operator. When you substitute ##y = x^r## into that equation you got ##L(x^r) = x^rp(r)## where ##p(r)## is the characteristic polynomial. Now consider the case where ##r## is a double root, as you have in your problem. ##r## being a double root means that ##p(r)=0## and ##p'(r)=0##. Now let's differentiate ##L(x^r) = x^rp(r)## with respect to ##r##. If we differentiate the left side, since the order of taking derivatives doesn't matter we get$$
\frac \partial {\partial r}L(x^r) = L(\frac \partial {\partial r}x^r) = L(x^r\ln x)$$If we differentiate the right side with respect to ##r## we get$$
(x^r \ln x) p(r) + x^r p'(r) = 0$$since ##r## is a double root. So putting this together we have$$
L(x^r\ln x) = 0$$which tells you ##x^r\ln x## is a solution of the DE in addition to ##x^r## when ##r## is a double root.
 
LCKurtz said:
Here's an argument that shows you where the ##\ln x## comes from. For simplicity I will call your differential equation ##ax^2y''+bxy'+cy = 0## as ##L(y)=0## where ##L## is the differential operator. When you substitute ##y = x^r## into that equation you got ##L(x^r) = x^rp(r)## where ##p(r)## is the characteristic polynomial. Now consider the case where ##r## is a double root, as you have in your problem. ##r## being a double root means that ##p(r)=0## and ##p'(r)=0##. Now let's differentiate ##L(x^r) = x^rp(r)## with respect to ##r##. If we differentiate the left side, since the order of taking derivatives doesn't matter we get$$
\frac \partial {\partial r}L(x^r) = L(\frac \partial {\partial r}x^r) = L(x^r\ln x)$$If we differentiate the right side with respect to ##r## we get$$
(x^r \ln x) p(r) + x^r p'(r) = 0$$since ##r## is a double root. So putting this together we have$$
L(x^r\ln x) = 0$$which tells you ##x^r\ln x## is a solution of the DE in addition to ##x^r## when ##r## is a double root.
Fantastic...thank you so much for showing me that. Surprisingly, that argument is hard to find online and I was having some trouble performing it by myself..
 

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