Solving for Charge Distribution on Charged Aluminum Spheres

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the charge distribution on two aluminum spheres, focusing on calculating the number of electrons in each sphere, determining the number of electrons to be transferred to create a specific attractive force, and finding the fraction of electrons represented by this transfer. The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning related to electrostatics and Coulomb's Law.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) calculates that each sphere contains approximately 7.25 x 10^24 electrons.
  • The OP attempts to use Coulomb's Law to determine the charge needed to create an attractive force of 1.00 x 10^4 N between the spheres, leading to a calculated charge of q = 8.4327 x 10^-4 C.
  • The OP expresses confusion over the feedback from MasteringPhysics, indicating that their calculations seem correct but are marked wrong.
  • Another participant points out a typographical error in the force value, clarifying that one ton is equivalent to 10,000 Newtons, not 10^24 N.
  • The OP acknowledges the error and corrects the force value to 1 x 10^4 N.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the OP's calculations, as the OP believes their approach is valid while receiving contradictory feedback from MasteringPhysics. There is also a correction regarding the force value, indicating a misunderstanding that was resolved.

Contextual Notes

The OP's calculations depend on the assumptions made regarding the point charge approximation and the application of Coulomb's Law. The discussion does not resolve the correctness of the OP's method or the feedback received from MasteringPhysics.

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Students working on electrostatics problems, particularly those involving charge distribution and Coulomb's Law, may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm having difficulty with a problem on MasteringPhysics (such wonderful software...) and as a last resort I'm posting on here. This is, I'm sure, a really simple problem but I'm getting no kind of feedback from MP and there isn't an example problem like this in the book.

The Problem

Two aluminum spheres of mass .025 kg are separated by 80 centimeters.

A) How many electrons does each sphere contain?

B)How many electrons would have to be removed from one sphere and added to the other to cause an attractive force between the spheres of magnitude 1.00 x 10^4 (roughly one ton)? Assume that the spheres may be treated as point charges.

C)What fraction of all the electrons in one of the spheres does this represent?

Attempted Solutions

A) I found Part A to be 7.25 x 10^24 electrons.

B) This is where I'm stuck.

If you were to remove electrons from one sphere and put them on the other I understand that their charges are to be equal but opposite, as in q1 = -q2. So using Coloumb's Law (F=K*q1*q2/(r^2)) I've set the Force to 1*10^4, divided that by K=9*10^9.

10000/(9*10^9) = q1*q2/(.8^2)

Then multiplying that by .8^2, I have just the charges on the other side of the equation. Since the charges in the formula are absolute value I can set q1=q2 and have q1^2. Taking the square root of the entire thing I have:

q=8.4327*10^-4.

So now I can use the formula q=e(#protons-#electrons). So:

8.4237*10^-4 = 1.6*10^-19(7.25*10^24-#electrons). Solving from this I get 7.249*10^24 electrons as my final answer.

However, MP says I'm wrong but there isn't any feedback as to where I went wrong, and it seems straightforward enough to me that no matter how I rework it I get the same thing every time.

Can anyone help me out here?

C) Can't do this one until B is done.
 
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Oops. I think I posted this in the wrong forum. Can a mod or someone move this for me please?
 
magnitude 1.00 x 10^24 (roughly one ton)?
I think you have this wrong, one ton force = 10,000 Newtons , 10^24N is a lot of force!
 
mgb_phys said:
I think you have this wrong, one ton force = 10,000 Newtons , 10^24N is a lot of force!


Ok. Yeah I typed that in wrong. It should be 1*10^4 N. Thanks.
 

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