Solving for Functions on Rational Numbers

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The discussion revolves around finding functions from the set of rational numbers (Q) to itself that satisfy specific conditions, including a functional equation and a particular value at f(1). Participants explore the implications of these conditions and the nature of the functions involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various approaches to determine the function's values for rational numbers, including induction and specific substitutions. There is a suggestion to solve for multiple rational numbers simultaneously and to consider the degrees of freedom in the function's definition.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the properties of the function, such as its behavior with respect to integer inputs and the relationship between values of the function at different rational numbers. There is ongoing exploration of the function's form, but no consensus has been reached regarding a complete solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of deriving the function's values for rational numbers and the potential for multiple valid functions that satisfy the given conditions. The discussion includes references to specific rational representations and the implications of the functional equation.

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[SOLVED] functions on rational numbers

Homework Statement


Find all functions from Q to Q which satisfy the following two conditions:
i)f(1)=2
ii)f(xy)=f(x)f(y)-f(x+y)+1 for all x,y in Q


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The Attempt at a Solution



I can show by integers that if x is an integer, then f(x)=x+1. However, I am having trouble getting the value of the function for rational numbers. I want to do induction on n to get the inverse integers 1/n, but I cannot get 1/2. There is probably something clever you can plug in for x and y to get f(1/2), but I can't think of it.
 
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You might have to solve for several rational numbers at once, rather than one at a time. Also, there might be more than one such function f, in which case all you can do is figure out where the degrees of freedom lie, and express all values of f in terms of them.
 
You know more than you think. You can also show f(q+1)=f(q)+1 for all rationals q. What's f(q+n) for n an integer? What's f((m/n)*n)?
 
Dick said:
You know more than you think. You can also show f(q+1)=f(q)+1 for all rationals q. What's f(q+n) for n an integer? What's f((m/n)*n)?

What's f(q+n) for n an integer?

I can show that f(q+n) = f(q)+n when n is a positive integer. Any rational number has a representation m/n, where m is an integer and n is a positive integer.

Then

f(m/n*n) = f(m/n)*f(n)-f(m/n+n)+1

m+1 =f(m/n)*(n+1)-f(m/n)-n+1

f(m/n) = (m+n)/n

I believe that is the only function that satisfies the two conditions.
 
I believe you are right. Notice f(m/n)=m/n+1. So the function is really just f(q)=q+1.
 

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