Solving for Real \(x, \ y, \ z\)

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The discussion revolves around finding real values for \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) that satisfy the equations involving ratios of square roots and a product-sum relationship. The scope includes both numerical and analytical approaches to solving the problem.

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  • Some participants suggest that numerical solutions exist near specific values, such as \(x=0.882\), \(y=1.470\), and \(z=7.935\), but express doubt about finding an exact analytic solution.
  • One participant proposes a transformation using hyperbolic functions, leading to a system of equations involving hyperbolic tangents, but admits uncertainty about solving it.
  • Another participant claims that the problem can be solved analytically, providing specific values for \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) as \(\frac{\sqrt{7}}{3}\), \(\frac{5\sqrt{7}}{9}\), and \(3\sqrt{7}\), respectively.
  • A later post reiterates the analytical solution and introduces an alternative set of negative solutions for \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\), suggesting that multiple solutions may exist.

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Participants express differing views on the existence of an analytic solution, with some asserting it is possible while others remain skeptical. The discussion includes multiple proposed solutions, indicating a lack of consensus.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for multiple solutions, including both positive and negative values for \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\). There are unresolved aspects regarding the methods used to derive the solutions.

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Find \(x, \ y, \ z \ \in \mathbb{R} \) satisfying

\[\frac{4\sqrt{x^2+1}}{x}=\frac{5\sqrt{y^2+1}}{y}= \frac{6\sqrt{z^2+1}}{z} \ \ \ \text{and} \ \ \ xyz=x+y+z\]
 
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sbhatnagar said:
Find \(x, \ y, \ z \ \in \mathbb{R} \) satisfying

\[\frac{4\sqrt{x^2+1}}{x}=\frac{5\sqrt{y^2+1}}{y}= \frac{6\sqrt{z^2+1}}{z} \ \ \ \text{and} \ \ \ xyz=x+y+z\]
Numerically, there is a solution somewhere close to the point given by $$x=0.882,\quad y=1.470,\quad z=7.935.$$ But I don't see any analytic way to get an exact answer, and I doubt whether this problem has a neat solution.
 
With x=sinh(a), y=sinh(b), z=sinh(c), you can get rid of the roots:

tanh(a)/4 = tanh(b)/5 = tanh(c)/6
sinh(a) sinh(b) sinh(c) = sinh(a) + sinh(b) + sinh(c)

However, I do not know how to solve this.

and I doubt whether this problem has a neat solution.
Me too.
 
The problem can be solved analytically and the answers are

\[x=\frac{\sqrt{7}}{3}, \ y= \frac{5\sqrt{7}}{9} , \ z=3\sqrt{7}\]
 
Hint

Put \(x=\tan \alpha , \ \ y= \tan \beta , \ \ z=\tan \gamma \), \(\dfrac{-\pi}{2} < \alpha , \ \beta , \ \gamma < \dfrac{+\pi}{2} \).
 
Solution

Let \(x=\tan \alpha , \ y=\tan \beta , \ z= \tan \gamma\) such that \(\dfrac{-\pi}{2}<\alpha , \beta , \gamma < \dfrac{+\pi}{2}\)

\[ \frac{4\sqrt{\tan^2 \alpha + 1}}{\tan \alpha} = \frac{5\sqrt{\tan^2 \beta + 1}}{\tan \beta} = \frac{6\sqrt{\tan^2 \gamma + 1}}{\tan \gamma}\]

\[ \Rightarrow \ \frac{4}{\sin \alpha}= \frac{5}{\sin \beta}=\frac{6}{\sin \gamma}\]

Again

\[ \begin{aligned} \tan \alpha \tan \beta \tan \gamma &=\tan \alpha + \tan \beta +\tan \gamma \\ \tan \alpha (\tan \beta \tan \gamma -1) &=\tan\beta + \tan \gamma \\ -\tan \alpha &= \frac{\tan\beta + \tan \gamma }{1- \tan\beta \tan \gamma } \\ -\tan \alpha &= \tan(\beta +\gamma) \\ \tan(k\pi - \alpha) &= \tan(\beta + \gamma) \\ \alpha +\beta +\gamma &=k\pi\end{aligned} \]

Taking \(k=1\) we get \(\alpha +\beta +\gamma =\pi\) which implies that there exists a triangle whose angles are \(\alpha , \ \beta , \ \gamma\) and whose sides opposite to these angles are proportional to 4,5 and 6 respectively.

Let the sides of such a triangle be \(4k, \ 5k, \ 6k\).

If \(s\) is the semiperimeter of the triangle then

\[s=\frac{15k}{2}\]

\[\tan \frac{\alpha}{2}=\sqrt{\frac{(s-4k)(s-6k)}{s(s-5k)}}=\sqrt{\frac{\dfrac{5k}{2} \times \dfrac{3k}{2}}{\dfrac{15k}{2} \times \dfrac{7k}{2}}}=\sqrt{\frac{1}{7}}\]

\[x = \tan \alpha=\frac{2\tan \dfrac{\alpha}{2}}{1-\tan^2 \dfrac{\alpha}{2}}=\dfrac{2\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{7}}}{1-\dfrac{1}{7}}=\frac{\sqrt{7}}{3}\]

Similarly, \(y=\dfrac{5\sqrt{7}}{9}\) and \(z=3\sqrt{7}\).
 
sbhatnagar said:
The problem can be solved analytically and the answers are

\[x=\frac{\sqrt{7}}{3}, \ y= \frac{5\sqrt{7}}{9} , \ z=3\sqrt{7}\]

Hi sbhatnagar, :)

Note that, \(x=-\dfrac{\sqrt{7}}{3},\,y=-\dfrac{5\sqrt{7}}{9}\mbox{ and }z=-3\sqrt{7}\) is another solution.

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 

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