Solving for Spring Stretch with Two Blocks of Mass m/2

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a spring with a spring constant k, initially stretched by a block of mass m, and then by two blocks of mass m/2 each. Participants are discussing how the spring's stretch changes between these two scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the spring and the resulting stretch. Some question the static equilibrium conditions and the forces involved, while others attempt to clarify the application of Hooke's Law.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the forces acting on the spring and the blocks, with some participants providing insights into free body diagrams and the distinction between internal and external forces. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of information regarding the mass of the spring and question whether it should be considered in the analysis. There is also a focus on ensuring clarity in the application of Newton's laws and Hooke's Law in the context of the problem.

  • #31
if you pull a spring on one side only, it will not stretch

it will simply move in that direction (and it will oscillate a little)

a spring will stretch only if you pull it on both sides

also, you have to pull it equally on both sides

(if you don't, it will move as well as stretch)

usually when we stretch a spring by pulling (or pushing) it from one side, we don't bother to mention the equal force on the other side … but that equal force is always there … usually a force that keeps the spring near the wall or ceiling, or a reaction force that stops the spring moving any further

does that help? :smile:
 
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  • #32
Ohhh so, if the block pulls the spring of the ceiling it stretches x because mg produces it, but if it is mg/2 who produces it then it's half the length. In (i) the force is mg up and down, and in (ii) it's mg/2 left and right. So the answer is x/2 right? What I wasn't taking into account was that you need 2 forces to stretch a spring :)
 
  • #33
thonwer said:
Ohhh so, if the block pulls the spring of the ceiling it stretches x because mg produces it, but if it is mg/2 who produces it then it's half the length. In (i) the force is mg up and down, and in (ii) it's mg/2 left and right. So the answer is x/2 right?

yes! :smile:

you got it!
What I wasn't taking into account was that you need 2 forces to stretch a spring :)

exactly! (and this is why it's so important to do a full analysis of the external forces on anything!)
 
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