Solving for Temperature in a Heat Dissipation Box

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the necessary thickness of an insulating box for a camera that operates within a specific temperature range. Participants explore thermodynamic principles and heat transfer concepts to ensure the camera remains within operational temperatures despite varying external conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the need to calculate the box's material thickness to maintain the camera's operational temperature between 0 and +55 degrees Celsius, given external temperatures ranging from -10 to +40 degrees Celsius.
  • Another participant suggests considering thermal resistances analogous to electrical resistances, proposing that the heat flow from the camera to the outside environment can be modeled similarly to current flow in a circuit.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of thermal resistance specifications for the camera and the box, noting that the air's high thermal resistance may significantly affect the temperature difference across the system.
  • One participant introduces the idea that the problem may be more aligned with heat engineering rather than pure thermodynamics, suggesting that approximate methods for heat transfer under convection should be considered.
  • Another participant mentions the potential need for thermally bonding the camera case to the box to manage the temperature differences effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying perspectives on the approach to solving the problem, with some focusing on thermal resistances and others suggesting a broader view of heat transfer principles. No consensus is reached on a definitive method or solution.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem, indicating that strict solutions may be challenging and that various assumptions about heat transfer mechanisms (natural vs. forced convection) could influence the calculations.

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Hi all

I need an some help on thermodynamics. I want to install a camera outside of my house, but the camera can only operate between 0 and +55 degrees celsius. Now I want to make an isolating box around it, and wanted to calculate how thick the material of the box should be to allow outside temperatures between -10 and 40 degrees celsius. I know that if the camera is on, its power is 50Watt. On wikipedia I found that the heat capacity of air is 20.85 J/(mol.K).

If I assume the camera is a point source of heat, located in the middle of a rectangular box, how can I calculate the temperature at the interior walls of the box, assuming the outside environment is an infinite reservoir at either -10 degrees C or +40 degrees.

Many thanks for your help!
 
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You need to consider the thermal resistances of each part. In electronics you can have a chain of resistors in series with a voltage difference between the ends of a chain, and current will flow through the chain. At each resistor junction there will be a proportion of the voltage depending on the values of the resistors. There is an analogy here with the heat problem, the equations are the same except voltage is replaced by temperature difference, the resistance replaced by thermal resistance, and the current by heat flow. So V=IR becomes ΔT=QR_θ{}.

In your system you have a source of heat (inside the camera housing) which at equilibrium is going to be at a certain temperature, and an ambient outside temperature. Those are your end points, like the voltage across the resistor chain. Heat will flow from the hot end to the colder end, and in this case the total heat flow is 50W. You also have thermal resistances, namely internal camera heat source to camera case, camera case to box (through the air), and box to external ambient. I'm ignoring the box itself as I'm assuming it's metal with low thermal resistance, but if it's plastic there's one more junction, internal box to external box.

Your camera should have a thermal resistance specification in °C/W. The box should be calculatable, again these are treated just like heatsinks and are specified in °C/W. The more difficult one is the air, but let's assume this can be found. You should have all you need to work out the various temperatures at each junction, and if necessary alter the thermal resistances by re-designing the enclosure to meet your operating temperature criteria.

Edit: I think that since air has quite a high thermal resistance, the temperature difference between the camera case and the box is going to be quite high at 50W, and you've only got 15 deg C to work with in total. I think you might have to thermally bond the camera case to the box. Also you have two criteria, it must be greater than 10 deg C if the outside temp is -10, but it must be less than 15 deg C if the outside temp is +40.
 
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Thanks for helping me out!
 
MisterCharly said:
I need an some help on thermodynamics. I want to install a camera outside of my house, but the camera can only operate between 0 and +55 degrees celsius. Now I want to make an isolating box around it, and wanted to calculate how thick the material of the box should be to allow outside temperatures between -10 and 40 degrees celsius. I know that if the camera is on, its power is 50Watt.

I think it is no thermodynamics but heat engineering most likely. It is a problem of heat transfer under convection (natural convection within the box and forced one- since there may be wind- outside). The problem is very difficult for strict solution, but approximate methods of estimations are commonly used. There are a lot of books on the problem, or you may search by Google using such key words as “heat transfer”, convection, Nusselt. For the beginning you may look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer_coefficient .
 

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