Solving for X: The Logarithmic Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving logarithmic equations, specifically the equations logx - log(x+11) = -1 and log4x - log4(x+15) = -1. Participants are exploring the methods to isolate the variable X in these logarithmic expressions.

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  • Participants attempt to manipulate the logarithmic equations using properties of logarithms, such as the quotient rule. There are questions regarding the correct interpretation of logarithmic expressions and the base of the logarithm used in the problems. Some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed after reaching a certain point in their calculations.

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Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between logarithmic forms and their exponential equivalents. Participants are actively questioning the setup of the equations and clarifying the notation used. There is a mix of attempts to solve the problems and discussions about the implications of different bases for logarithms.

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Participants are discussing the implications of using different bases for logarithms and the importance of proper notation in mathematical expressions. There is a recognition of potential confusion arising from the way logarithmic terms are presented.

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Homework Statement


Solve for X

logx-log(x+11) = -1

and

log4x-log4(x+15) = -1

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


log x - log (x+11) = -1
log (x/x+11) = -1

I don't know how to solve for X after this point

log4x-log4(x+15) = -1
log4 x/(x+15) = -1I don't know how to get the X out of the log to solve for X
 
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Alykayy said:

Homework Statement


Solve for X

logx-log(x+11) = -1

and

log4x-log4(x+15) = -1

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


log x - log (x+11) = -1
log (x/x+11) = -1

I don't know how to solve for X after this point

log4x-log4(x+15) = -1
log4 x/(x+15) = -1I don't know how to get the X out of the log to solve for X
The relationship you need for both problems is this one:
loga(x) = y is equivalent to x = ay.

For your first problem, log means log10 (lob base 10).
 
Alykayy said:

Homework Statement


Solve for X

logx-log(x+11) = -1

and

log4x-log4(x+15) = -1

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


log x - log (x+11) = -1
log (x/x+11) = -1

I don't know how to solve for X after this point

log4x-log4(x+15) = -1
log4 x/(x+15) = -1I don't know how to get the X out of the log to solve for X

What "base" of logs is used in the first question?

Anyway, you certainly cannot have what you wrote, which was
\log \left( \frac{x}{x} + 11 \right) = -1
which gives ##\log(12) = -1##. Did you mean
\log\left( \frac{x}{x+11} \right) = -1?
If so, use parentheses, like this: log(x/(x+11)) = -1. At his point it matters what base you are using for log.

For a given base ##b##, what number, ##y##, has ##\log_b(y) = -1##? Think about what that actually means.

BTW: either use X or x, but not both in the same problem.
 
I figured them out, thank you.

log x - log (x+11) = -1
log (x / (x+11)) = -1
x/(x+11) = 10-1
x/(x+11) = 0.1
x=0.1(x+11)
x=0.1x+1.1
x-0.1x=1.1
0.9x=1.1
x=1.222...

log4x-log4(x+15) =-1
log4(x/(x+15) = -1
x/(x+15)= 4-1
x/(x+15) = 0.25
x=0.25(x+15)
x=0.25x+3.75
x-0.25x=3.75
0.75x=3.75
x=5
 

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