Solving Infinite Series: Help Needed with Calculus Question

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The discussion revolves around finding a general formula for an infinite series represented by the sequence (1, -1, -1, 1, -1, -1, 1...). The context is within calculus, specifically dealing with series and potentially Fourier series.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various mathematical representations, including the use of trigonometric functions and Fourier series. Some suggest drawing graphs for discrete values and others propose specific formulas for the series. Questions arise regarding constraints and the simplicity of the setup.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing different ideas and questioning the validity of proposed methods. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored, including the use of trigonometric identities and the characteristics of the series.

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Participants note constraints such as the avoidance of recursive series and the expectation of a straightforward solution, as indicated by the teacher's comments. There is also mention of issues with LaTeX formatting and the need for clarity on specific terms used in the problem.

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My Calculus teacher posed this question to a recent class, and asked us (previous students) if we could figure it out(just for fun). I am stumped. The question is to find the general formula that represents the infinite series (1, -1, -1, 1,-1, -1, 1...) I am assuming it uses trig graphs, maybe something like sinx + cos2x... but even that doesn't really work. any ideas would be appreciated. thanks
 
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You could draw it out on a graph for values of x=1, x=2, x=3 and so on. Then perhaps find the Fourier series for the square wave.
 
one idea.

It's not fancy but this would work:

For [tex]n \in \mathbb{N}^{+}[/tex],

[tex]S_{n} =[/tex]
1 if n = 1
1 if [tex]3|(n-1)[/tex]
-1 otherwise.

Were there any other constraints on how you could set it up?
 
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Not really, but we never got to far into series in calc two, so i am guessing it had to be pretty simple, just no recursive series or anything like that. The teacher keeps saying its not very complicated... thanks for the help y'all
 
I was having some issues with LaTeX. What's covered by "or anything like that" ?
 
signum (sec(x))
 
quadrant wise...
in first quadrant cos is positive so sec is positive too and signum will give 1.
in 2nd and 3rd quadrant cos is negative so sec is also negative and signum will give -1 in both second and third quadrants.
then in 4th quadrant, positive so +1.
 
spideyunlimit said:
quadrant wise...
in first quadrant cos is positive so sec is positive too and signum will give 1.
in 2nd and 3rd quadrant cos is negative so sec is also negative and signum will give -1 in both second and third quadrants.
then in 4th quadrant, positive so +1.

Wait, but the pattern is (1, -1, -1, 1,-1, -1, 1...)

not

1, -1, -1, 1, 1, -1, -1, ...
 
That doesn't work because it isn't tailored to discrete values of x=1,2,3,4. And if you're using sec x you might as well use cos x instead. The series must go 1,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,1..., not alternate between -1 and 1 or we could use (-1)^(2x-1) instead.
 
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i said sec x instead of cosx because else you get 0 too, but anyways, right! You won't get the afore said series :|
Hmmm, Let me think.
 
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Hey guys, the best I've come up with so far employees the use of sinx + cos2x... this gives you 1,1,-2,1,1,-2 at 4pie/6 intervals... then uses this (-1) ^ of sinx +cos2x ... i just have to shift the graph. My teacher said he did it two other ways though... any other ideas would be appreciated ( futurebird, I'm not really sure... those were his words : ( ) thanks everyone
 

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