Solving Int w/ u-Substitution: $\int \frac{1}{\sin x}dx$

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function \( \int \frac{1}{\sin x} dx \), with a focus on using u-substitution as a method for solving it. Participants are exploring the connections between trigonometric identities and integration techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various substitution attempts, including setting \( \sin x = u \) and considering alternative substitutions like \( \cos x \). There are questions about expressing \( \cos x \) in terms of \( u \) and the implications of different substitutions on the integral. Some participants express confusion about the derivatives involved and the resulting expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on different substitution methods and the challenges they face. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of trigonometric identities and the structure of the integral, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the integral and the limitations of their current understanding, with some expressing frustration over the process. There is an emphasis on the importance of learning through exploration rather than simply seeking answers.

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Homework Statement


Solve using u-substitution.

[tex]\int \frac{1}{sin x} dx[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I looked up the integral answer and I can see the connection of the csc, but I don't know how to get this to be du/u for the ln function.
 
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I looked up the integral answer and I can see the connection of the csc, but I don't know how to get this to be du/u for the ln function.

That's the last thing you should do when solving problems as it defeats the purpose of learning via solving problems.

There is no need to get things right after just one substitution. You can do substitution after substituton as many times you like. So why not start with putting sin(x) = u and see what you get first?
 
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That's the last thing you should do when solving problems as it defeats the purpose of learning via solving problems.

There is no need to get things right after just one substitution. You can do substitution after substituton as many times you like. So why not start with putting sin(x) = u and see what you get first?

I already did all that, it's just too much to list. I tried u = sin x at first but didn't get very far. Then I thought that since the sin is on the bottom I could try cos x since -sin is derivative of cos but didn't get very far again. Then I tried rewriting 1/sin x using trig identities but I couldn't find any that would help. (:

EDIT: I have a question though. When I was doing u = sin x, du = cos x dx. So would this be correct?

[tex]\int \frac{1}{u}cos x dx[/tex]

[tex]csc x \int \frac{du}{u}[/tex]

[tex]csc x \ln sin x[/tex]
 
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Let's start again then. If you put

sin(x) = u

you get:

dx/sin(x) = du/u 1/sqrt(1-u^2)

(up to a plus/minus sign which can be ignored for the moment). Do you agree?

Edit, I see your latest edit now. You have to express cos(x) in terms of u.
 
I'm not following what you have written there, particularly I don't see where you're getting 1/sqrt(1-u^2) from. Isn't that a derivative of the arcsin?
 
If you put

sin(x) = u

then

x = arcsin(u)

and thus:

dx = dx/du du = 1/sqrt(1-u^2) du

You can also say that:

sin(x) = u ------->

d[sin(x)] = du -------->

cos(x) dx = du ---------->

dx = 1/cos(x) du = 1/sqrt[1-sin^2(x)] du = 1/sqrt(1-u^2) du

So, we have:

dx/sin(x) = 1/u 1/sqrt(1-u^2) du
 
Ok, what's the next step?

edit: would you integrate after that? it looks like you'd have the natural log of a mess :P
 
Put u = 1/v. The idea is that the du/u part remains the same (up to a sign)

du = -1/v^2 dv

1/u = v

du/u = -1/v dv

but

1/sqrt(1-u2)

becomes

1/sqrt(1-1/v^2)

so, you can bring the v in the denominator inside the square root and end up with something simple.
 
gotcha, thanks
 

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