Solving Integrals for Integrating by Parts

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \(\int^m_1 x^{3}\ln{x}\,dx\) using integration by parts. Participants explore the challenges associated with choosing the appropriate terms for substitution in the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the method of integration by parts and express uncertainty about which terms to assign as \(u\) and \(dv\). There are suggestions to differentiate or integrate specific terms based on their complexity. Some participants also question how to handle the boundaries of the definite integral.

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Several participants have provided guidance on how to approach the integral, including suggestions for choosing \(u\) and \(dv\). There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the definite integral's boundaries, with some participants clarifying the meaning of the notation used in definite integrals.

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There is a mention of the original poster's confusion regarding the boundaries of the definite integral and whether it is acceptable to leave the answer in terms of both \(m\) and \(x\). Additionally, participants are navigating the distinction between expressing the result as a function versus a numerical value.

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Homework Statement



[tex]\text {Evaluate } \int^m_1 x^{3}ln{x}\,dx[/tex]

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Integrating by parts, but not sure which term to substitute out...it's not turning out clean...argh I've done every other problem except for this one, can someone just provide the first step? Much appreciated.
 
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I don't know what you mean by "I'm not sure which term to substitute out?" What is the method for integration by parts: you should have a formula, no? What specifically are you confused with, with respect to this formula?
 
You should try substituting for v and du, the terms for which vdu is easy to integrate. It's harder to integrate ln than it is to differentiate it, so that provides an obvious choice.
 
Since you have x3ln x dx, and want u(x) dv, there are really just two choices: either u(x)= x3 and dv= ln(x)dx or u(x)= ln(x) and dv= x3dv. Try both and see which gives you a decent integral!
 
Thanks, I integrated it successfully, but since this is a definite integral, at the end I'm not quite sure what to do with the boundaries, namely with the m term. Is it okay to leave the answer as an expression of both m and x?

It comes out to this:

[tex]\frac {1}{4} (x^{4} ln{x} - \int^m_1 x^{3} \,dx)[/tex]
 
Hi avr10! :smile:
avr10 said:
[tex]\frac {1}{4} (x^{4} ln{x} - \int^m_1 x^{3} \,dx)[/tex]

Evaluate the first part between 1 and m:

[tex]\left[\frac {1}{4} x^{4} ln{x} \right]^m_1[/tex] :smile:
 
Hm? Why is that?
 
Because that's what the little numbers at top and bottom of the integral sign mean!
[tex]\int_a^b f(x)dx= F(b)- F(a)[/tex]
where F is an anti-derivative of f. The result of a definite integral is a number, not a function of x.
 
Integrating by parts using the standard formula gives me
[tex]\left[ln(x)*\frac {1}{3} x^{3} -\frac {1}{9}x^{3}\right]^m_1[/tex]

Following up by the formula presented by HallsofIvy, I get:

[tex]ln(m)-\frac{3}{9}*m^{3}-\frac{1}{9}*m^{3}+\frac{1}{9}[/tex]

Which is pulled together to:

[tex]ln(m)+\frac {1}{9}-\frac {4}{9}m^3[/tex]

Voila?

Edit: HallsofIvy, in this case the answer is not a number, but yes, it is a constant.
 

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