Solving Integration Question Using L'Hopital's Rule - Step by Step Guide

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The discussion revolves around computing an integral, with specific reference to applying L'Hôpital's Rule. Participants are exploring the conditions under which this rule is applicable, particularly in the context of limits and the behavior of the integral as the bounds approach zero.

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  • Participants discuss the application of L'Hôpital's Rule, questioning its relevance to the integral in question. There are attempts to clarify the conditions under which L'Hôpital's Rule applies, particularly regarding the limits of integration and the continuity of the function involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions related to the integral's evaluation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of L'Hôpital's Rule, and there is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the integral's bounds.

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Participants note that the integral evaluates to zero when the upper and lower limits are the same, and there is mention of the continuity of the function near the limits. There is also a reference to the potential divergence of the limit, which remains a point of inquiry.

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Hi,

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I'd appreciate some help in computing the integral in the attachment.


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I presume it should be handled using L'hopital, but I am not sure how to demonstrate that that is indeed the case.
 

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Yes, I'Hopital will be applied. Consider using the fundamental theorem of Calculus as well.
 
But L'hopital applies for 0/0, for instance. How is that the case here?
 
peripatein said:
But L'hopital applies for 0/0, for instance. How is that the case here?

As x → 0, the upper limit tends to 0 and since the lower limit is already zero, we know ##\int_{a}^{a} f dt = 0##. ( and the function f in your example is continuous near x = 0)
 
Is it rigorous/formal enough, to simply state that int [a,a] f dt = 0?
 
peripatein said:
Is it rigorous/formal enough, to simply state that int [a,a] f dt = 0?

I would say: $$\int_0^0 f\,dt = F(0) - F(0) = 0,$$ since a function cannot have one to many as an option.

If I recall correctly, and perhaps someone could confirm, it is not possible to evaluate that integral (analytically) if the limits are finite (i.e something like 0 to ##a##, ##a## a real number).
 
Is it true then that the limit diverges?
 
peripatein said:
Is it true then that the limit diverges?
I wouldn't figure so quickly. So we have justified using i'Hopital. Now apply i'Hopital.
(the bit about your integrand not being integrable with finite limits was just for interest. It doesn't really relate to this problem since the region of int. is [0,0] and provided an integral exists this is always zero if those are your bounds).
 
peripatein said:
Is it true then that the limit diverges?

I don't think so, but I hurried through it, so I could have made a mistake.
 
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No, it is equal to zero. Thanks!
 
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peripatein said:
No, it is equal to zero. Thanks!
That's what I got too ... zero.
 

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