Solving Laplace Transform: Need Help

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The discussion revolves around a Laplace transform problem involving the expression L{t^2*e^-t} and its manipulation. Participants are attempting to reconcile their calculations with expected results and clarify the interpretation of operations involved.

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  • Participants share their attempts at calculating the Laplace transform and express confusion over discrepancies between their results and the expected answer. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of multiplication versus convolution in the context of the problem.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the operations involved in the Laplace transform, with some participants suggesting that the exponential term should be handled differently. There is an ongoing exploration of how different interpretations of the problem may lead to varying results, and some participants are seeking further clarification on the commands used in computational tools.

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Participants note that the problem's wording may be critical to understanding the expected answer, and there is mention of conflicting results from different computational tools. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the operations involved.

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I'm having trouble with this question. Can anyone please guide me.

My Attempt :

= 1/(s-1) * L{t^2*e^-t}
= 1/(s-1) * (2/(s+1)^3)
= 2/((s-1)(s+1)^3))

but that's not the answer , its 2/((s-1) s^3) somehow.
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gurtaj said:
I'm having trouble with this question. Can anyone please guide me.

My Attempt :

= 1/(s-1) * L{t^2*e^-t}
= 1/(s-1) * (2/(s+1)^3)
= 2/((s-1)(s+1)^3))

but that's not the answer , its 2/((s-1) s^3) somehow

You are correct: it really is 2/[(s-1)(s+1)^3].
 
But on the test it says its 2/(s^3 *(s-1)), and wolfram alpha confirms it too... The question asked to find F(2).. according to my solution i will get 2/(3^3) which is 2/27 but the answer is 1/4
 
gurtaj said:
But on the test it says its 2/(s^3 *(s-1)), and wolfram alpha confirms it too... The question asked to find F(2).. according to my solution i will get 2/(3^3) which is 2/27 but the answer is 1/4

If '*' means multiplication, then your answer is correct (and Maple confirms this). If '*' means 'convolution' then you answer is wrong.
 
In my answer which is 2/((s-1)*(s+1)^3)) , '*' does mean multiplication, so F(2) should be 2/27 , is that correct? ... test got 1/4 however.
 
gurtaj said:
In my answer which is 2/((s-1)*(s+1)^3)) , '*' does mean multiplication, so F(2) should be 2/27 , is that correct? ... test got 1/4 however.

I agree with you; if F(s) means the product as given in the question you wrote, then F(2) = 2/27, NOT 1/4. Maybe you wrote the wrong question?

I can see no way to get the answer 2/[(s-1)s^3] using any familiar kinds of operations. A product does not give this, and a convolution also does not give this. You say that Wolfram Alpha gives this; well, I don't believe it. Maple does not give this, and it is essentially equivalent to Mathematica in strength and applicability, so is at least as powerful as Wolfram Alpha (which uses a subset of Mathematica routines). If you say Wolfram Alpha gets this you will need to present exactly what commands you used; perhaps you were solving a different problem without realizing it.
 
This is the exact question... no option of 2/27 :(
 

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gurtaj said:
I'm having trouble with this question. Can anyone please guide me.

My Attempt :

= 1/(s-1) * L{t^2*e^-t}
= 1/(s-1) * (2/(s+1)^3)
= 2/((s-1)(s+1)^3))

but that's not the answer , its 2/((s-1) s^3) somehow
I don't get what you did there.

Pull the exponential in front back inside the integral and then identify the integral as a convolution of two functions. What two functions are they?
 
I'm confused here... are u saying i should put e^t inside integral and do L{e*t^2}?
 
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No, how did you get that? You do realize the integral isn't a Laplace transform, right? When you pull the exponential back in, you get
$$f(t) = \int_0^t \tau^2 e^{t-\tau}\,d\tau.$$ You should recognize the form of that integral.
 
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oh wow , i get it now. Thanks you so much for helping.
 
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gurtaj said:
oh wow , i get it now. Thanks you so much for helping.

You still did not answer my question: you said "Wolfram Alpha gets this too...", and I essentially said I did not believe that claim; I asked you to back it up, by supplying the actual commands you gave to Wolfram Alpha. Please do this; we have tried to help you, now you can try to help us.
 

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