Solving Log Equation: Log_a(x+3) + Log_a(x-4) = Log_a(8)

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The discussion revolves around solving the logarithmic equation Log_a(x+3) + Log_a(x-4) = Log_a(8). Participants explore the number of solutions to the equation, the application of logarithmic laws, and the validity of proposed solutions.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Claudius initially claims to find solutions x = 4 and x = -3 but concludes there are 0 solutions due to logarithmic restrictions.
  • One participant suggests Claudius made a mistake in his calculations and proposes to re-evaluate the logarithmic equation using properties of logarithms.
  • Another participant points out that both proposed solutions lead to logarithms of zero or negative numbers, which are undefined.
  • A participant questions Claudius' method of simplifying the logarithmic equation and suggests that the implications drawn from his steps may be incorrect.
  • Claudius shares his working using natural logarithms and expresses confusion about the application of logarithmic laws.
  • Another participant clarifies the process of "undoing" a logarithm and emphasizes the importance of maintaining the equality when manipulating logarithmic expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the number of solutions to the equation, with some asserting there is one solution while others argue there are none due to the nature of the logarithmic functions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of logarithmic laws and the implications of their calculations, highlighting potential misunderstandings in the simplification process.

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Hello friends,

so i have this problem it reads:

how many solutions does the following equation have

Log_a(x+3) + Log_a(x-4) = Log_a(8)

ok so first i put all the logs on one side of the equation and solve for x after using log laws,

and i get x = 4 and x = -3, however plugging these into the equation will result in Log(o) so i answer the question with the equation has 0 solutions but the book tells me it has 1 solution.

can someone please explain this to me - thank you very much for your time i do appreciate it,

Claudius
 
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I think you just did some of your math wrong. You should not be getting 4 and -3 as solutions. I will update with some work in a moment.

[tex]\log_a (x+3) + \log_a (x-4) = \log_a (8)[/tex]

[tex]\log_a ((x+3)(x-4)) = \log_a (8)[/tex]

[tex]\log_a (x^2 - x -12) = \log_a (8)[/tex]

[tex]x^2 - x - 12 = 8[/tex]

So, what are the solutions for x? Now, plug them into the original equation and see which are valid.
 
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Using x = -3 you have log_a(0) + log_a(-7) = log_a(8), and using x = 4 you have log_a(7) + log_a(0) = log_a(8). Both these equations should tingle your funny bone!

There are 3 basic log laws governing addition, subtraction and powers, are you familiar with them?

Can you show your working so we can point out where you went wrong.
 
There is one solution. You made a mistake when simplifying the logs. I'm going to guess you said something like

[tex]\log_a(x+3)+\log_a(x-4) - \log_a(8) = 0 \Rightarrow \log_a((x+3)(x-4)/8) = 0 \Rightarrow (x+3)(x-4)/8 = 0.[/tex]

Is that what you did? If so, that last implication is incorrect. Do you see why?
 
ok so my working is like this

Ln( ((x+3) (x-4)) / 8 ) = 0

simple quadractic - solve for x i get x=4, and x =-3
 
hmmm no...
 
I updated my original reply with some latex that might help you out. Sorry, I didn't realize PF Math was so poppin' at this hour.
 
Ok i see what you did there King - however why can I not take Ln(8) to the other side and combine using log laws? As Mute has pointed out
 
Iclaudius said:
Ok i see what you did there King - however why can I not take Ln(8) to the other side and combine using log laws? As Mute has pointed out

You can.

Iclaudius said:
ok so my working is like this

Ln( ((x+3) (x-4)) / 8 ) = 0

simple quadractic - solve for x i get x=4, and x =-3

Your equation is correct - but remember that when you "undo" a logarithm, you effectively make each side of the equation the exponent of the base. So when you "undo" the log, the right side will have a^0, which is 1. Anything to the power of zero is one. Solving that quadratic will give you correct terms.

[tex]\log_a ((x+3)(x-4)/8)=0[/tex]

[tex]a^{log_a ((x+3)(x-4)/8)}=a^0[/tex]

[tex]((x+3)(x-4)/8)=1[/tex]
 
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Ahhh - off course! Thank you so much for clearing that up!
 

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