Solving Logarithmic Equations Involving x & y

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The discussion revolves around solving logarithmic equations involving variables x and y. Participants are tasked with expressing y as a function of x using logarithmic properties and identifying the domain of the resulting functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the application of logarithmic laws to manipulate equations. Questions arise regarding the validity of "canceling" logarithms and the process of transitioning from logarithmic forms to expressions involving only x and y. There is also confusion about the introduction of the number 1000 in one of the equations.

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Some participants provide guidance on how to approach the equations, particularly in rewriting logarithmic expressions and clarifying the steps taken. There is ongoing exploration of the assumptions and definitions related to logarithmic functions, with no explicit consensus reached on all points.

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Participants note the importance of domain restrictions for logarithmic functions, emphasizing that logarithms are only defined for positive arguments. This leads to discussions about the implications of these restrictions on the solutions.

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Hi :)
This is my first time using this forum, so thanks for your help in advance.

Homework Statement



Use the laws of logs to write y as a function of x for each. Then state domain.

a) log(xy) = 2 log(x-3)
b) log(y) + 3 = log(y + 1) + log(x)
c) log (x2/y) = 2 log(x + 5)

Answers:
a) y = (x-3)2 / x
b) y = x / (1000 -x)
c) y = x2 / (x + 5)2


The Attempt at a Solution



I got the first one by:

log(xy) = 2 log(x-3)
logx + log y = 2 log(x-3)
log y = 2 log(x-3) - logx
log y = log [ (x-3)2 / x]

I'm not sure about is how they got rid of the "log" to get only x and y in the answer, though. Are you even allowed to divide "log" and cross it out?
I don't know where they got 1000 from in b).
I started by moving all the logs that contain "y" to the left side, but I didn't know where to go from there.
And I'm not sure how to do c).
 
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[strike]Recheck the original equation for item b in case you miscopied or misread.[/strike]

Item #c:

On right hand side, \[<br /> 2\log (x + 5) = \log (x + 5)^2 <br /> \]<br />

Continuing this from original equation,
\[<br /> \log \left( {\frac{{x^2 }}{y}} \right) = \log (x + 5)^2 <br /> \]<br />

therefore, \[<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \frac{{x^2 }}{y} = (x + 5)^2 \\ <br /> x^2 = y(x + 5)^2 \\ <br /> y = \frac{{x^2 }}{{(x + 5)^2 }} \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> \]<br />
 
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Twisted-- said:
log y = log [ (x-3)2 / x]

I'm not sure about is how they got rid of the "log" to get only x and y in the answer, though. Are you even allowed to divide "log" and cross it out?

No you can't do that. Log is the inverse of exponentiating, in other words, if y=e^x then x=log_e(y)=ln(y). This means that when you take the exponential of a logarithm, you end up back where you started.
x=e^{ln(x)}

So if you take the exponential of both sides (not the same as dividing both sides by log, which doesn't make any sense) then the logs will cancel.

edit: since the question says to also state the domain, then I guess I should have mentioned this now crucial piece of information. It is not entirely true that x=e^{ln(x)} because logs are only defined for x>0, so you need to place the restriction down that x>0. If you have log(x-5) then x-5>0 or x>5 etc.
 
Number b,

Equivalent to \[<br /> \log (y) + \log (1000) = \log (y + 1) + \log (x)<br /> \]<br />

\[<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \log (y) - \log (y + 1) = \log (x) - \log 1000 \\ <br /> \log \frac{y}{{y + 1}} = \log \frac{x}{{1000}} \\ <br /> \frac{y}{{y + 1}} = \frac{x}{{1000}} \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> \]<br />

Continuing with appropriate steps, you obtain the answer shown in your first post.
 
If you have f(x)= f(y) with "f" a function you cannot "divide by f"- you divide by numbers not functions. But if you know that a function is "one to one" (and logarithms are) then from "f(x)= f(y)" you can conclude "x= y".
 

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