Solving ODE: How to Integrate Left Integral?

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The discussion revolves around solving an ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form \(\frac{a+b-c\sqrt{H}}{k}=\frac{dH}{dt}\), where \(a\), \(b\), \(c\), and \(k\) are constants, and \(H\) is the variable. Participants are exploring integration techniques and the challenges of obtaining a closed form for \(H\) in terms of \(t\).

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  • Participants discuss integration strategies for the left integral, with one suggesting a substitution method. There are questions regarding the feasibility of obtaining a closed form solution for \(H\) and whether an implicit relation would suffice.

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Some participants have provided integration attempts and expressed concerns about the complexity of isolating \(H\). There is an acknowledgment of a mistake in the original modeling of the ODE, leading to further inquiries about the amended equation. The discussion includes references to Mathematica's inability to solve the equation, prompting questions about the validity of proposed solutions.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of changing the original ODE and the resulting difficulties in separation of variables. There is a mention of constraints related to the use of computational tools like Mathematica for verification.

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Hi all!
How to solve this ODE?
[tex]\frac{a+b-c\sqrt{H}}{k}=\frac{dH}{dt}[/tex] , where a,b, c and k are constants; H is the variable

I am up to this step:
[tex]\int \frac{dH}{a+b-c\sqrt{H}}=\int \frac{dt}{k}[/tex]
and I don't know how to integrate the left integral, can anyone help please?
 
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Hi,


[tex]I = \int \frac { dH} { a + b- c \sqrt H }[/tex]

Let u2= H >>> 2u du = dH

[tex]\therefore I = \int \frac {2u } { a + b- c u } du <br /> = \frac {-2} {c} \int \frac { -cu + a + b- (a + b) } { a + b- cu } du<br /> = = \frac {-2} {c} \left( 1 - \frac { a + b} { -c } \int \frac { -c } { a + b- cu } du \right)[/tex]

[tex]= \frac { -2 } {c} u - \frac { 2(a + b) } {c^2} \ln | a + b- c u | + C <br /> = \frac { -2 } {c} \sqrt {H} - \frac { 2(a + b) } {c^2} \ln | a + b- c \sqrt {H} | + C[/tex]
 
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Ali 2 said:
Hi,


[tex]I = \int \frac { dH} { a + b- c \sqrt H }[/tex]

Let u2= H >>> 2u du = dH

[tex]\therefore I = \int \frac {2u } { a + b- c u } du <br /> = \frac {-2} {c} \int \frac { -cu + a + b- (a + b) } { a + b- cu } du<br /> = = \frac {-2} {c} \left( 1 - \frac { a + b} { -c } \int \frac { -c } { a + b- cu } du \right)[/tex]

[tex]= \frac { -2 } {c} u - \frac { 2(a + b) } {c^2} \ln | a + b- c u | + C <br /> = \frac { -2 } {c} \sqrt {H} - \frac { 2(a + b) } {c^2} \ln | a + b- c \sqrt {H} | + C[/tex]


Many thanks.
But it is very hard to have a closed form of H in terms of t for the solution then?
 
It is not necessary to have an explicit relation, implicit relation is sufficuint
 
oops..sorry..
I have made a mistake in modelling...
The differential equation should be:
[tex]\frac{a+bsinwt-c\sqrt{H}}{k}=\frac{dH}{dt}[/tex]
which again I don't know how to solve...
I simply can't separate it...
please help..
 
I don't know how to do this one but I know the answer using Mathematica

H[t]= a t w/k - c t w/k H^1/2 + k w/k (Constant of integration)- b Cos[wt]/k

blumfeld0
 
Hi blumfeld0,
is your answer for the amended ODE I just posted?
 
to confirm, is the solution:
[tex]H(t)=\frac{atw}{k}-ct\frac{w}{k}\sqrt{H}+\frac{kw}{k}(constant of integration)-bcos\frac{wt}{k}[/tex]

but the "k" can be cancelled?
 
can anyone help confirm the answer?
 
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Mathematica 5.2 cannot solve this:

Code:
[tex]
\text{DSolve[}h^{'}[t]==\frac{a+b Sin[\omega t]-c\sqrt{h[t]}}{k},h,t]
[/tex]

So Blumfeld, how did you arrive at that expression?

Also, when I back-substitute yours into the ODE, Mathematica does not indicate it satisfies the ODE.
 
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