Solving Optics Lens Problems: 2 Possibilities for Object Placement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the placement of an object in relation to a bi-convex lens, given a specific focal length and a magnification factor of 2. Participants explore the conditions under which both virtual and real images can be produced, as well as the implications of these conditions on object placement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that there are two ways to achieve a magnified image using a converging lens, suggesting a relationship between object placement and image type.
  • Another participant proposes that if the absolute values of the differences between object distances and the focal length are equal, both placements will yield images of the same size but differ in being real or virtual.
  • A later reply expresses confusion regarding the analytical reasoning presented, indicating a lack of clarity in the explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the analytical approach to the problem, with some agreeing on the existence of two placements for the object while others challenge the clarity of the reasoning.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific configurations of the object and lens, as well as the mathematical steps involved in deriving the distances for both image types.

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Hello,

If you have an object, and a bi-convex lense, you are given the focal length, and you are given the magnification factor (M) to be 2, how are there two possibilities to place the object?

One question I was doing asked this, and said:

a) if the image is virtual, and M=2, find the distance.
b) if the image is real, and M=2 find the distance.

Basically, i found one answer easily, and noticed that the absolute value of the difference between my distance and the focal length, equaled the absolute value of the other distance and the focal length.

So is this always the case?
 
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The short answer is because there are two ways to get a magnified image from a converging lens.

To understand this - draw the ray diagrams.
image height is 2units and object height is 1unit (M=2)
put image and object some reasonable distance apart and draw the rays that must connect them ... and you'll find where the lens has to be and what the focal length is.

Repeat for a virtual image.
 
So would this be correct analytically? :

------|--------------[C]---------------|-----------

If the distances between the vertical segments, and the focal length [C] are equal, then both will produce an image of the Same size, same distortion, except one will be real, and one will be virtual?
 
That makes no sense to me, sorry.
 

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