Solving Polynimals in the ring mod p^r

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the roots of a polynomial in the ring mod p and its higher powers (mod p^2, mod p^3, mod p^4). Participants explore methods and strategies for solving these types of problems, particularly in the context of a review problem set.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to find roots in higher powers of p and seeks tips for solving such problems without substituting all values.
  • Another participant suggests that if f(x) = 0 (mod p^k), then f(x) = 0 (mod p), indicating a potential relationship between the roots in different moduli.
  • A participant provides an example involving mod 49, noting that while a specific value (f(43)) satisfies the equation mod 49, it does not necessarily imply it satisfies the equation mod p.
  • Another participant counters that one does not need to check all numbers up to 49 to find roots, implying a more efficient method exists.
  • A participant outlines a method for finding roots in mod p^2 based on known roots in mod p, suggesting a systematic approach to generating roots in higher powers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to finding roots in higher powers of p, with multiple viewpoints and methods being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in their understanding of the relationship between roots in different moduli, and there is an acknowledgment of the need for further exploration of the topic.

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Ok, I'm given this polynomial and I'm asked to find the roots of it in the ring mod p.

And then it asks to do it in, mod p^2, mod p^3 and mod p^4.

I don't remember ever learning how to do it in those powers.

Any tips on how to solve such things?

Note: Without having to sub in all the values. If it was 7^4, that would suck.

Note: Not homework. It's just a problem set to a pdf file I'm going through. It's review for the material, so I want to get a handful of problems down before moving forward.
 
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Well if f(x)=0(mod p^k) then f(x)=0(mod p). Maybe this will help.
 
morphism said:
Well if f(x)=0(mod p^k) then f(x)=0(mod p). Maybe this will help.

Well, if you look at something mod 49, we can have f(43) = 0 mod 49, but I don't really care that f(43) = 0 mod p. I know that already.

I would still have to check all the numbers up to 49 to see if there are any roots.
 
Well, if you look at something mod 49, we can have f(43) = 0 mod 49, but I don't really care that f(43) = 0 mod p. I know that already.

I would still have to check all the numbers up to 49 to see if there are any roots.
No you don't. You only have to check a few of them...
 
example
if f(k)=0 (mod7)
f(7n+k)=0(mod49)

if you know roots of mod p
and that is denoted as k_1, k_2, k_3, ...
roots of mod p^2 will be
p+k_1, 2p+k_1, 3p+k_1, ... , np+k_1,
p+k_2, 2p+k_2, 3p+k_2, ... , np+k_2,
p+k_3, 2p+k_3, 3p+k_3, ... , np+k_3,
...
 
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